[NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Wed May 2 21:22:34 AKDT 2007

Again.... people who fly fun flys DO consider them to be contests.  They have tasks that people COMPETE at to see who can get the most points.  They often have trophies awarded....

It may not be the type competition YOU want to fly in... but eventually I wouldn't be suprized to see a set of "1385 Fun Fly" rules in the AMA rulebook...  Right now, they are a sort of provisional event. (kind of like Sportsman Pattern from what I gather out of previous posts saying why Sportsman is not flown at the NATS)

I think I covered that when I said I would oppose the stamp being required for any event less than AA sanctioned. (Fun Flys get sanctioned as C events... most "local"Pattern events are "A")
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Matthew Frederick 
  To: NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

  Again, you're getting hung-up on the term "sanctioned." Yes, fun-flys and fly-ins are sanctioned events... but they are not competitions. I am suggesting the stamp only for contests. For instance, if a pilot wishes to fly in a competition event 402 (Intermediate pattern), a stamp is required, but 705 (competitive fun-fly) is not. Just like with the Nats, provisional classes are exempt (Sportsman, or, the politically-incorrect term I prefer, Novice) unless they choose to attend and fly Sportsman (at which point you allow them to purchase the stamp at the event. OK, I'm not going to try and explain this any further, Tony understood what I was saying, that's all I really cared about.

  Matt

  ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Fred Huber 
    To: NSRCA Mailing List 
    Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 12:14 AM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

    The problem is...

    A fun Fly is often a sanctioned competition.  A LOT of guys will fly in Fun Flys, but no other sanctioned events.
    Same goes for Big Bird fly ins.
    Same goes for a lot of events that get held...  You can get a sanction for a Mall so in order to get the sanction insurance for the event!

    If the stamp is required to fly at a sanctioned event... then you have just about required all RC flyers to buy the stamp... might as well have raised AMA dues for RC, because just about anyone that flys WILL participate in SOME sanctioned event.

    In all likelyhood... the same could be said about CL and FF... I anm sure they sanction some events that are not necessarilly very competitive.

    Now it SHOULD be obvious that the criteria of the event being sanctioned requiring the stamp is not a good idea...

    Maybe you could call it a "AA" stamp... and any event with AA or higher sanction requires the stamp...  Pretty much the AA and higher events will be attended by more serious competitors. (but there will be exceptions, just as there are some guys who will go to the NATS and enter just to say they did.)

    I would oppose having it start at "A" level.  If you want to attract entry level Pattern flyers... you won't be helping by making them buy some "competition stamp" in order to fly.

    My bet is... if you started such a stamp program, no matter at what level... it would reduce competition participation, since it would be seen as a backhanded way to raise AMA dues. (which would really be what it amounted to anyway)

    The more I think about it... the more I know that adding the stamp requirement would be a bad idea.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Matthew Frederick 
      To: NSRCA Mailing List 
      Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:59 PM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

      The point of the stamp was not for just those who want to go to the Nats, but if they wanted to compete in ANY(not just Pattern) AMA-sanctioned competitive event. That way the entire competition community helps pay for it, not just those who go to the Nats (otherwise you could just raise the cost of Nats entry). I was looking for a solution that did not cause an increase in the Nats entry fee yet still defrayed the costs of the Nats at a minimal cost to membership and zero cost to the "sport pilots" who don't want to keep paying for us to have our "little contests."

      Matt
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: BUDDYonRC at aol.com 
        To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
        Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:08 AM
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

        The stamp sounds like a good idea it could work.charge $20.00 for the competition stamp. 
        Let's see the Nat's is in the red $25,000.00 divide that by 6 weeks  = 42 days = $595.24 per day x 4 days = NSRCA  share = $2380.96 divide that by say 120 entrants = $19.84 each oops I forgot they raised the entry fee $10.00 this year, It could be that we only need to charge $10.00 for the stamp 
        I don't know what the total daily cost is but if we pay then other groups should also share the cost on an equal basis. 

        There is plenty open time at the Nat's site now to schedule other events most of those mentioned are never held during the Nat's because many of those flying in them are at the Nat's
        Buddy

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