[NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Wed May 2 05:54:47 AKDT 2007

Gordon:
Moving the Pattern Nats around to different parts of the county is OKAY by
AMA!  That is not a problem. NSRCA has asked about this and there is not
problem there.  You need to let the powers at NSRCA know that you want to
host the Pattern Nats somewhere other than Muncie.  I am sure Derek would
welcome your help to find a club/group that would host it. 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gordon
Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:14 PM
To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

My beef is with the AMA. When Muncie was proposed the issue about running
every NATS at Muncie was discussed and the membership was assured that would
not happen. There is now clear pressure to reduce the use of the Muncie site
for the NATS, removed the rain day etc with no support to move the NATS.

Running the NATS at Muncie every year is a mistake in terms of AMA growth
and outreach. I attended last year and its not a big deal in the Muncie
area, at a restaurant a waiter said to us "oh yeah that contest thing is
going on this month" it was not a very newsworthy event. When the NATS was
held here in the Tri-Cities in the 80s it was on the news everyday and the
local interest in modeling surged. the AMA is missing an here opportunity.
Yeah it will cost money, but you gotta spend money to make money.

Why not let the membership vote on the issue, after all this is OUR
organization.

--Gordon

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:11 AM
To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Don't blame Gordon, Tony. It was me, Jay, that made the statement. I'm one
in favor of roving events in order to draw more interest and participation. 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony Stillman
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:58 AM
To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Gordon:
The XFC CAME to the AMA asking us to please host it at Muncie.  The Don Lowe
Masters CAME to AMA asking us to host it at Muncie.  Your beef should be
with the XFC and the Don Lowe Masters group, NOT AMA!

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:12 AM
To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Yep! Centralize ALL of these events so that only a few can attend.

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony Stillman
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:47 AM
To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Gordon:
You can contact EVP Doug Holland and he can give you what you are looking
for.  The Nats is NOT GOING AWAY!  We are expanding the usage of the Muncie
site so that not only the Nats is held there, but other major events such as
World Championships, the XFC, The Don Lowe Masters, IMAA regional fly-ins
and such.  We are trying to maximize the number of events so that it appeals
to all AMA members.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Fred Huber
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:45 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

I know of no financial report that an average member can access which is any
more detailed than the one published in Model Aviation every year.

You might want to contact your AMA District VP and ask...

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Gordon <mailto:GAA at owt.com>  Anderson 

To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:13 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Is there a detailed financial report available to the AMA members? I would
like to see where our money is going and see how much the Muncie site is
costing us. I see no reason for the Muncie site to exist if the NATs goes
away or is restricted/reduced in scope. Maybe the funds could be better used
in other areas. 

--Gordon

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony Stillman
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:53 AM
To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Actually requiring a minimum number of contestants in order to hold an
official event is one of the changes proposed.  Several events have 3-5
contestants.  We are thinking of around 10 as a minimum.  Putting pressure
on the SIGS to increase participation is the direction I think we are
headed.  NSRCA is one of the very best SIGS out there.  Unfortunately, most
are not up the NSRCA's standards.

In 2006, the Nats was $25,000 in the red.  

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:41 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Well if the Nats are in the red then there is a need to increase the number
of attendees and/or increase the entry fee not the number of days. Wasn't
this years entry fee increased?<g> Maybe all the SIGS need to encourage more
of their people to attend or lose it. There was a time when pattern had over
150 plus attendees. There are some events that only have a handful of people
involved. Maybe some of those small events need to be discontinued as part
of the Nats.

Tony, how much is in the red anyway? hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands
of dollars?

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From: tony at radiosouthrc.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:09:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Ok.. .you asked for a need. here it is..

The Executive Council is always pressed by sport fliers as to why funds
should be spent on less than 1% of the membership to allow for a site for a
Nats, as well as the staff support and equipment support required to run
these events.  The Nats takes up 6 weeks of prime flying time for Muncie.
Other groups would like to use that time for events as well.  The Nats
operates in the red every year.  

So, if we reduced the number of days required to have a Nats, that would
reduce costs as well.  How do we reduce the number of days required to run
the pattern Nats?  Do we just increase the entry fee to take care of all of
the costs so the sport fliers can then be told that the competition pilots
"pay their own way"?  Do we (the EC) just ignore them and hope they go away?

I am a BIG fan of competition and the Nats.  However, I can tell all of you
that many on the EC don't give a rat's behind about competition or the Nats.
I am trying to represent competition and how important it has been in the
past and will be in the future.  

So, how does NSRCA handle it if we get cut to a 2-day even for the Pattern
Nats?

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hester
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:37 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

ok, then one more:

if it ain't broke, why fix it? Is there some underlying problem that we
aren't aware of? I'm just not seeing the need I guess. if it were a vote,
I'd definitely vote NOT to have to qualify for the Nats. 

-Mike

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony Stillman <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

John:
I realize that this is a different approach and that there are lots of
opinions.  That is all I am asking for.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/> 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Ferrell
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:32 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Flame suit on, cannons loaded and ready...

If you really want a good answer, ask the guys who are competing at Muncie
this year.

If you want to justify a position already decided, survey the population
that will give you the answer you want!

No offense intended.

Why would you want to curtail the most successful segment of the Nats?
Without the Nats, there is little point in maintaining Muncie. 

(BTW, considering the source, I think you are shopping for ammunition rather
than an argument!)

John Ferrell    W8CCW
"Life is easier if you learn to plow 
       around the stumps"
http://DixieNC.US <http://dixienc.us/> 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony Stillman <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:40 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Buddy:
As I said at the beginning of this discussion thread, I am involved with a
total NATS review.  We are talking about all of the NATS, nothing is too
sacred to be up for discussion.

One question I always had is why it the NATS an open event?  Most all sports
NATIONAL championships require you to qualify.  With so many people
complaining that the AMA NATS is 6-weeks long, this was brought up as a way
to shorten the event.  It also would elevate the status of the NATS.  I
don't see how this would reduce participation at the local level.  It may
actually increase it!

Keep in mind that this is just DISCUSSION!!!  Don't get all bent out of
shape because we are talking about it.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
BUDDYonRC at aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:56 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

I have a question

Why all of a sudden are you talking about special requirements needed for 

Nat's entry.

My take on this, is if this is done we will reduce participation. I may be
wrong but if I am not how is this going to help pattern and the NSRCA?

I think it will be the first step toward a further reduction in membership
and a step toward an all professional Nat's 

Second question

Tony are you pushing this idea for real?  

Buddy 

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