[NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Tue May 1 19:13:40 AKDT 2007

My beef is with the AMA. When Muncie was proposed the issue about running every
NATS at Muncie was discussed and the membership was assured that would not
happen. There is now clear pressure to reduce the use of the Muncie site for the
NATS, removed the rain day etc with no support to move the NATS.
Running the NATS at Muncie every year is a mistake in terms of AMA growth and
outreach. I attended last year and its not a big deal in the Muncie area, at a
restaurant a waiter said to us "oh yeah that contest thing is going on this
month" it was not a very newsworthy event. When the NATS was held here in the
Tri-Cities in the 80s it was on the news everyday and the local interest in
modeling surged. the AMA is missing an here opportunity. Yeah it will cost
money, but you gotta spend money to make money.
Why not let the membership vote on the issue, after all this is OUR
organization.

--Gordon

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:11 AM
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Don't blame Gordon, Tony. It was me, Jay, that made the statement. I'm one in
favor of roving events in order to draw more interest and participation. 

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony Stillman
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Gordon:
The XFC CAME to the AMA asking us to please host it at Muncie.  The Don Lowe
Masters CAME to AMA asking us to host it at Muncie.  Your beef should be with
the XFC and the Don Lowe Masters group, NOT AMA!

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:12 AM
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Yep! Centralize ALL of these events so that only a few can attend.

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony Stillman
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Gordon:
You can contact EVP Doug Holland and he can give you what you are looking for.
The Nats is NOT GOING AWAY!  We are expanding the usage of the Muncie site so
that not only the Nats is held there, but other major events such as World
Championships, the XFC, The Don Lowe Masters, IMAA regional fly-ins and such.
We are trying to maximize the number of events so that it appeals to all AMA
members.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Fred Huber
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:45 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

I know of no financial report that an average member can access which is any
more detailed than the one published in Model Aviation every year.

You might want to contact your AMA District VP and ask...

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From: Gordon Anderson <mailto:GAA at owt.com>  

To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:13 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Is there a detailed financial report available to the AMA members? I would like
to see where our money is going and see how much the Muncie site is costing us.
I see no reason for the Muncie site to exist if the NATs goes away or is
restricted/reduced in scope. Maybe the funds could be better used in other
areas. 

--Gordon

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony Stillman
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Actually requiring a minimum number of contestants in order to hold an official
event is one of the changes proposed.  Several events have 3-5 contestants.  We
are thinking of around 10 as a minimum.  Putting pressure on the SIGS to
increase participation is the direction I think we are headed.  NSRCA is one of
the very best SIGS out there.  Unfortunately, most are not up the NSRCA's
standards.

In 2006, the Nats was $25,000 in the red.  

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Well if the Nats are in the red then there is a need to increase the number of
attendees and/or increase the entry fee not the number of days. Wasn't this
years entry fee increased?<g> Maybe all the SIGS need to encourage more of their
people to attend or lose it. There was a time when pattern had over 150 plus
attendees. There are some events that only have a handful of people involved.
Maybe some of those small events need to be discontinued as part of the Nats.

Tony, how much is in the red anyway? hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of
dollars?

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From: tony at radiosouthrc.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:09:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Ok.. .you asked for a need. here it is..

The Executive Council is always pressed by sport fliers as to why funds should
be spent on less than 1% of the membership to allow for a site for a Nats, as
well as the staff support and equipment support required to run these events.
The Nats takes up 6 weeks of prime flying time for Muncie.  Other groups would
like to use that time for events as well.  The Nats operates in the red every
year.  

So, if we reduced the number of days required to have a Nats, that would reduce
costs as well.  How do we reduce the number of days required to run the pattern
Nats?  Do we just increase the entry fee to take care of all of the costs so the
sport fliers can then be told that the competition pilots "pay their own way"?
Do we (the EC) just ignore them and hope they go away?

I am a BIG fan of competition and the Nats.  However, I can tell all of you that
many on the EC don't give a rat's behind about competition or the Nats.  I am
trying to represent competition and how important it has been in the past and
will be in the future.  

So, how does NSRCA handle it if we get cut to a 2-day even for the Pattern Nats?

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hester
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:37 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

ok, then one more:

if it ain't broke, why fix it? Is there some underlying problem that we aren't
aware of? I'm just not seeing the need I guess. if it were a vote, I'd
definitely vote NOT to have to qualify for the Nats. 

-Mike

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From: Tony  <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com> Stillman 

To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

John:
I realize that this is a different approach and that there are lots of opinions.
That is all I am asking for.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/> 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Ferrell
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:32 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Flame suit on, cannons loaded and ready...

If you really want a good answer, ask the guys who are competing at Muncie this
year.

If you want to justify a position already decided, survey the population that
will give you the answer you want!

No offense intended.

Why would you want to curtail the most successful segment of the Nats? Without
the Nats, there is little point in maintaining Muncie. 

(BTW, considering the source, I think you are shopping for ammunition rather
than an argument!)

John Ferrell    W8CCW
"Life is easier if you learn to plow 
       around the stumps"
http://DixieNC.US <http://dixienc.us/> 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony  <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com> Stillman 

To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:40 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Buddy:
As I said at the beginning of this discussion thread, I am involved with a total
NATS review.  We are talking about all of the NATS, nothing is too sacred to be
up for discussion.

One question I always had is why it the NATS an open event?  Most all sports
NATIONAL championships require you to qualify.  With so many people complaining
that the AMA NATS is 6-weeks long, this was brought up as a way to shorten the
event.  It also would elevate the status of the NATS.  I don't see how this
would reduce participation at the local level.  It may actually increase it!

Keep in mind that this is just DISCUSSION!!!  Don't get all bent out of shape
because we are talking about it.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of BUDDYonRC at aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:56 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

I have a question

Why all of a sudden are you talking about special requirements needed for 

Nat's entry.

My take on this, is if this is done we will reduce participation. I may be wrong
but if I am not how is this going to help pattern and the NSRCA?

I think it will be the first step toward a further reduction in membership and a
step toward an all professional Nat's 

Second question

Tony are you pushing this idea for real?  

Buddy 

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