[NSRCA-discussion] Flying in wind

Thu Mar 15 14:50:52 AKDT 2007

Thanks to Don Ramsey there is a young accomplished 3-D flyer that decided to 
fly pattern to make his 3-D even better.

>From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flying in wind
>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:15:20 -0500
>
>
>On Mar 15, 2007, at 4:39 PM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:
>
>>This reminded me of something a Golfing pro (Rocco Mediate I think)  said 
>>a while back....and I paraphrase: "the average amateur has no  idea how 
>>much better skilled the pro is".
>>
>>Ron, I wouldn't fret too much. If you still can, invite him to try  and 
>>beat your flying skill.... in the process possibly you may  convert him 
>>into a believer, both that you are indeed better and  that he also may 
>>improve enough to get a piece of your action. A  win-win
>
>I didn't/don't say what I did to denigrate the sport pilot, but to  point 
>out to him that there are skills to be acquired in learning how  to fly 
>Pattern airplane that are immediately transferrable back into  sport 
>flying: a better pilot enjoys all kinds of flying even more.
>
>Ron Van Putte
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: vanputte at cox.net
>>To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 4:19 PM
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flying in wind
>>
>>This is a very good point.  When you learn to use all the tools  properly 
>>and develop discipline and skill by practice, you will be  a better pilot.
>>
>>BTW, I've had sport pilots say something to me like, "You Pattern  pilots 
>>think you're better pilots than the rest of us."  I probably  didn't make 
>>any friends for Pattern when I said, "Yes, we do,  because we have the 
>>discipline and skill to do maneuvers we want to  do where we want to do 
>>them."
>>
>>Ron Van Putte
>>
>>On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Mike Robinson wrote:
>>
>>>Robert - I've had and have most of your flying habits. But, once I  
>>>committed to do maneuvers in a planned way instead of just doing  them I 
>>>soon realized I needed to use every tool available to me  which included 
>>>the rudder. I have found that with practice, and a  good coach if 
>>>available, those habits tend to be replaced with  better ones. I guess 
>>>I'm saying "Do your time" and it will work out.
>>>Lastly, those maneuvers are supposed to be daunting! If they were  easy, 
>>>then every sport flyer would be a pattern flyer!
>>>
>>>On 3/15/07, Robert L. Beaubien <rbeaubien at koolsoft.com> wrote:
>>>As someone that is trying to unlearn the bad habits of my  training, I 
>>>wonder if I am approaching this the wrong way.
>>>
>>>I was trained to fly without rudder (except for ground control)  and 
>>>learned the reverse controls concept when flying toward me and  I pretty 
>>>much think that way when flying.  I have learned to use a  little rudder 
>>>to be able to land in crosswinds, but it just seems  to foreign to me.  
>>>As I start down the path of learning to fly  pattern, I find the concept 
>>>of learning to fly a straight path in  a cross wind while performing 
>>>maneuvers to be daunting.
>>>
>>>Troy has been helping me out a lot, but I was wondering if anyone  has 
>>>suggestions for going through this relearning process.
>>>
>>>- Robert Beaubien
>>>
>>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>>>discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie Stafford
>>>Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:54 AM
>>>To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Field lay out Advice
>>>
>>>I have to disagree on this one.  I now teach guys for a living how  to 
>>>fly.  We end up teaching them UAV's, but they learn on .60 size  
>>>trainers.  These guys have no background in R/C and I think if you  don't 
>>>let them be affected by the wind, then they wont be.  Our  normal flying 
>>>days here in SW texas are 10-15mph, and these guys  are soloing in 5 days 
>>>flying only in the afternoons. Usually  straight in our face, or straight 
>>>from our backs.  I don't think  I've had a day yet that we didn't have a 
>>>significant crosswind.  I  have found here, that if you don't let the 
>>>guys become  psychologically affected by the wind and such, then it isn't 
>>>near  as big a factor.  Another tip we have found and it is true, is  
>>>that we do not mention ANYTHING about the controls being different  when 
>>>coming at them.  I've heard people say "the controls reverse  when coming 
>>>at you", well, that's not actually true, it only !  appears that way.  By 
>>>not telling them that, it takes that thought  process out of their heads 
>>>and they don't fight it.  Teach in the  wind, and they'll be able to fly 
>>>in the wind.
>>>
>>>Arch Stafford
>>>
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