[NSRCA-discussion] Spins, was Judging Question

[Fred Huber]

That is actually design dependant.

Whatever "unstalls" the wing fastest will get the plane out of the spin 
fastest.

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> Ok, since you mentioned spins, and I know this is a little off the
> original topic, why do airplanes recover from spins with aileron input
> faster than just with rudder and elevator? My Black Magic, Aggressor,
> and Arresti III all exhibit this behavior.  They recover almost
> instantly if I leave aileron in, but take about 1/4 turn or a little
> more to recover if I don't.
>
> Jon
>
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> From: d.pappas at kodeos.com
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> Look at how slowly your plane rotates in a spin with little or no
> aileron added. That is a proper autorotation at 1 G.
> The answer is that it can be a real snap at pretty close to the same
> rotation rate.
> later,
> Dean
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Glenn
> Hatfield
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>
> Well, how slow can a snap roll be and still be a snap.
>
> Randy
>
> --- jpavlick at idseng.com wrote:
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> From: "John Pavlick" <jpavlick at idseng.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 00:12:10 -0500
>
> Exactly. So... if you guys think that it's impossible to judge all of
> the elements in this hypothetical 1.25 second 4-point roll, then how DO
> you judge all the elements in a snap roll? I've never seen a "slow"
> snap roll. Just wondering. :)
>
> John Pavlick
> http://www.idseng.com
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> From: Lance Van Nostrand
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>
> Easy to judge....like a snap? A fast or slow demonstration is not a
> cause for downgrade unless it gets to the point where you really can't
> see the elements because its so fast. Slight variations, or even large
> variations from pilot to pilot, as long as all the elements are
> detectable are OK.
>
> --Lance
>
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> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:37 AM
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>
> Randy,
>
> You as the Judge must not guess whether something happened or did not.
> The pilot should produce a maneuver that is easy to judge. If he fails
> to show you what is needed, and you are not sure that he did show you,
> then it's your responsibility to downgrade.
>
> MattK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: randy10926 at comtekmail.com
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> Sent: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:23 AM
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> Ok time to get back to our favorite list questions.
>
> This comes from a real life judging problem. The question is about the
> 4-point roll. This what I am seeing. A 4 point roll that takes less
> than 1.25 second to complete. You can see 4 very short pauses. The
> manever appears to be centered. I see no change in height or coming in
> or out. It appears to be between 150M and 175M. But the pauses are so
> short that I cannot really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90
> degrees. So I cannot see what the 1 point per 15 degree down grade
> should be.
>
>
> What would you do?
>
>
> Randy
>
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