[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question

[Del K. Rykert]

Hi Fred. 
    Do I assume 3 flyers you are judging doing point rolls, if all elements are done correctly, except for the points or a point, does pilot "A" who under rotates by  10º and pilot "B" who over rotates in a point by 10º and pilot "C" who nails the point @ 90º all get a 10 score?  All other elements are done perfect. Not typical real world but have been their and had to score as I interpret the rules. 
 
    Del

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Fred Huber 
  To: NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question


  The original description said the points were noted.  
  No downgrade for lack of points.

  The original description just complained "I couldn't see if the point was ON the 90"  Well that means it was less than 15 deg off because you WOULD see 15 deg off.  
  No downgrade.

  No downgradable item was noted in the initial point roll description.

  Its a 10
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Del K. Rykert 
    To: NSRCA Mailing List 
    Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:58 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question


    I sure concur Gene .

            Del
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Gene Maurice 
      To: randy10926 at comtekmail.com ; 'NSRCA Mailing List' 
      Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:38 PM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question


      If the points are so fast as to make it indiscernible what angle they occurred at, then I would tend to doubt whether the point occurred at all. Score 0. It is the pilot's responsibility to present the maneuver in such a manner to demonstrate that the maneuver has in fact been done according to the rules. I sincerely doubt that a 4 point can be done in 1.25 seconds with defined stops in the roll every 90 degrees. But it remains that if, as a judge, you cannot clearly see the relevant elements of any maneuver being performed, then you should assume that IT HAS NOT been performed. The elements must be demonstrated not assumed. 

       

      Don Ramsey, can you clarify?

       

      Gene Maurice
      gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
      Plano, TX
      AMA 3408, NSRCA 877


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      From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Hatfield
      Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:24 AM
      To: nsrca-discuss list 
      Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question

       

      Ok time to get back to our favorite list questions.

      This comes from a real life judging problem.  The question is about the 4-point roll.  This what I am seeing.  A 4 point roll that takes less than 1.25 second to complete.  You can see 4 very short pauses.  The manever appears to be centered.  I see no change in height or coming in or out.  It appears to be between 150M and 175M.  But the pauses are so short that I cannot really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90 degrees.  So I cannot see what the 1 point per 15 degree down grade should be.


      What would you do?


      Randy



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