[NSRCA-discussion] Spins, was Judging Question

[jonlowe at aol.com]

Ok, since you mentioned spins, and I know this is a little off the 
original topic, why do airplanes recover from spins with aileron input 
faster than just with rudder and elevator? My Black Magic, Aggressor, 
and Arresti III all exhibit this behavior.  They recover almost 
instantly if I leave aileron in, but take about 1/4 turn or a little 
more to recover if I don't.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: d.pappas at kodeos.com
To: randy10926 at comtekmail.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question

Look at how slowly your plane rotates in a spin with little or no 
aileron added. That is a proper autorotation at 1 G.
The answer is that it can be a real snap at pretty close to the same 
rotation rate.
later,
Dean
Dean Pappas
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Kodeos Communications
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Glenn 
Hatfield
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question


Well, how slow can a snap roll be and still be a snap.

Randy 

--- jpavlick at idseng.com wrote:

From: "John Pavlick" <jpavlick at idseng.com>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 00:12:10 -0500

Exactly. So... if you guys think that it's impossible to judge all of 
the elements in this hypothetical 1.25 second 4-point roll, then how DO 
you judge all the elements in a snap roll? I've never seen a "slow" 
snap roll. Just wondering. :)
 
John Pavlick
http://www.idseng.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Van Nostrand
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Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question


Easy to judge....like a snap?  A fast or slow demonstration is not a 
cause for downgrade unless it gets to the point where you really can't 
see the elements because its so fast.  Slight variations, or even large 
variations from pilot to pilot, as long as all the elements are 
detectable are OK.
 
--Lance
 
----- Original Message -----
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
To: randy10926 at comtekmail.com ; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question


Randy,
 
You as the Judge must not guess whether something happened or did not. 
The pilot should produce a maneuver that is easy to judge. If he fails 
to show you what is needed, and you are not sure that he did show you, 
then it's your responsibility to downgrade.
 
MattK
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: randy10926 at comtekmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:23 AM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question

Ok time to get back to our favorite list questions.

This comes from a real life judging problem.  The question is about the 
4-point roll.  This what I am seeing.  A 4 point roll that takes less 
than 1.25 second to complete.  You can see 4 very short pauses.  The 
manever appears to be centered.  I see no change in height or coming in 
or out.  It appears to be between 150M and 175M.  But the pauses are so 
short that I cannot really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90 
degrees.  So I cannot see what the 1 point per 15 degree down grade 
should be.


What would you do?


Randy


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