[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question

[Chris Moon]

"aero-mumbling"  I love that explanation!!
A new term to the added to the pattern lexicon.

Chris


Dean Pappas wrote:
> Hi Fred,
> There is another whole aspect to the judging world!
> We always discuss WHAT to judge ... and we should.
>  
> HOW to judge gets stickier, and I have seen, over the years, a handful 
> of pilots score
> remarkably well by utilizing flying styles that rush both maneuver 
> elements and the judges.
>  
> We always tend to blame ourselves if we can't see what is supposed to 
> be there, rather than blaming others.
> That is civilized behavior: people who start out  by assuming the 
> opposite are called sociopaths.
> Well, a good judge is maybe just a little bit sociopathic. (temporary 
> insanity?)
> Let me go back to Matt K.'s statement of two or so days ago, when he
> said that the onus is on the pilot to clearly demonstrate the good 
> stuff to the judge,
> and not on the judge to pick out the good stuff in the midst of a poor 
> presentation.
> You won't find this explicitly in any rule book, but common sense 
> tells us that a real workman
> proudly displays his good work so that it can best be admired, rather 
> than hiding it in the middle of confusion.
> If you were judging a debate, would you have to give someone the 
> benefit of the doubt because they mumbled? Heck NO!
> The mumbler gets downgraded.
> Rushing is like mumbling ...come to think of it it isn't like 
> mumbling, it /is/ aero-mumbling.
>  
> Off my soapbox,
> Dean
>  
>  
>
> Dean Pappas
> Sr. Design Engineer
> Kodeos Communications
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>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>     [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf Of
>     *Fred Huber
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:46 PM
>     *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
>     *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question
>
>     I caught all kinds of flack at  judging training session for
>     downgrading because a VERY well known pilit did a blazing fast
>     4-point....
>      
>     All other judge trainees said 10... I said 0... the points weren't
>     full stops.
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* Gene Maurice <mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
>         *To:* randy10926 at comtekmail.com
>         <mailto:randy10926 at comtekmail.com> ; 'NSRCA Mailing List'
>         <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:38 PM
>         *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question
>
>         If the points are so fast as to make it indiscernible what
>         angle they occurred at, then I would tend to doubt whether the
>         point occurred at all. Score 0. It is the pilot's
>         responsibility to present the maneuver in such a manner to
>         demonstrate that the maneuver has in fact been done according
>         to the rules. I sincerely doubt that a 4 point can be done in
>         1.25 seconds with defined stops in the roll every 90 degrees.
>         But it remains that if, as a judge, you cannot clearly see the
>         relevant elements of any maneuver being performed, then you
>         should assume that IT HAS NOT been performed. The elements
>         must be demonstrated not assumed.
>
>          
>
>         Don Ramsey, can you clarify?
>
>          
>
>         Gene Maurice
>         gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>         Plano, TX
>         AMA 3408, NSRCA 877
>
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>         *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>         [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf
>         Of *Glenn Hatfield
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:24 AM
>         *To:* nsrca-discuss list
>         *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question
>
>          
>
>         Ok time to get back to our favorite list questions.
>
>         This comes from a real life judging problem.  The question is
>         about the 4-point roll.  This what I am seeing.  A 4 point
>         roll that takes less than 1.25 second to complete.  You can
>         see 4 very short pauses.  The manever appears to be centered. 
>         I see no change in height or coming in or out.  It appears to
>         be between 150M and 175M.  But the pauses are so short that I
>         cannot really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90
>         degrees.  So I cannot see what the 1 point per 15 degree down
>         grade should be.
>
>
>         What would you do?
>
>
>         Randy
>
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