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"aero-mumbling" I love that explanation!!<br>
A new term to the added to the pattern lexicon.<br>
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Chris<br>
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Dean Pappas wrote:
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<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">Hi Fred,</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">There is
another whole aspect to the judging world!</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">We always
discuss WHAT to judge ... and we should.</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"></span> </div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">HOW to judge
gets stickier, and I have seen, over the years, a handful of pilots
score</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">remarkably
well by utilizing flying styles that rush both maneuver elements and
the judges.</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"></span> </div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">We always
tend to blame ourselves if we can't see what is supposed to be there,
rather than blaming others.</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">That is
civilized behavior: people who start out by assuming the opposite are
called sociopaths.</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">Well, a good
judge is maybe just a little bit sociopathic. (temporary insanity?)</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">Let me go
back to Matt K.'s statement of two or so days ago, when he</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">said
that the onus is on the pilot to clearly demonstrate the good stuff to
the judge,</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">and not on
the judge to pick out the good stuff in the midst of a poor
presentation.</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">You won't
find this explicitly in any rule book, but common sense tells us that a
real workman</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">proudly
displays his good work so that it can best be admired, rather than
hiding it in the middle of confusion.</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">If you were
judging a debate, would you have to give someone the benefit of the
doubt because they mumbled? </font></span><span
class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">Heck NO!</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">The mumbler
gets downgraded.</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">Rushing is
like mumbling ...come to think of it it isn't like mumbling, it <em>is</em>
aero-mumbling.</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"></span> </div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">Off my
soapbox,</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"><font face="Arial">Dean</font></span></div>
<div><span class="831334814-01032007"></span> </div>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</font> <br>
<font face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</font> <br>
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<font face="Times New Roman"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">d.pappas@kodeos.com</a></font> </p>
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Fred
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:46 PM<br>
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<div><font size="2">I caught all kinds of flack at judging
training session for downgrading because a VERY well known pilit did a
blazing fast 4-point....</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">All other judge trainees said 10... I said 0...
the points weren't full stops.</font></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">If the
points are so fast as to make it indiscernible what angle they occurred
at, then I would tend to doubt whether the point occurred at all. Score
0. It is the pilot’s responsibility to present the maneuver in such a
manner to demonstrate that the maneuver has in fact been done according
to the rules. I sincerely doubt that a 4 point can be done in 1.25
seconds with defined stops in the roll every 90 degrees. But it remains
that if, as a judge, you cannot clearly see the relevant elements of
any maneuver being performed, then you should assume that IT HAS NOT
been performed. The elements must be demonstrated not assumed. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Don Ramsey,
can you clarify?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Gene Maurice<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gene.maurice@sgmservice.com">gene.maurice@sgmservice.com</a><br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Plano</st1:City>, <st1:State
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AMA 3408, NSRCA 877</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Ok time to get back to
our favorite list questions.<br>
<br>
This comes from a real life judging problem. The question is about the
4-point roll. This what I am seeing. A 4 point roll that takes less
than 1.25 second to complete. You can see 4 very short pauses. The
manever appears to be centered. I see no change in height or coming in
or out. It appears to be between 150M and 175M. But the pauses are so
short that I cannot really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90
degrees. So I cannot see what the 1 point per 15 degree down grade
should be.<br>
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<br>
What would you do?<br>
<br>
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Randy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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