[NSRCA-discussion] Chapter-5 Going too far.

Tue Jun 26 02:36:36 AKDT 2007

It brings to mind when a certain NSRCA member showed significant JUDGING BIAS and gave their fellow country men 10's. Was rather obvious and blatant. To my knowledge they were never sanctioned this way, or drawn and quartered.  If nothing was done to the pilot or father is also blatantly wrong. WHY THE DIFFERENT STANDARD.

It does reminds me of the time I was hassled by a Son- father team because of the score the son earned on a couple of maneuvers. I could easily explain why and what occurred to justify the downgrades. Because the other judge did not, the father chose to hassle me. I maybe should have reported them and had them banished from the meet but I couldn't be assured the CD would accept let alone believe that this occurred. I never judged them again and reminded myself that if I did I would have a witness around as well as my tape recorder. What a way to encourage a newcomer to pattern.

If members of the NSRCA continue to NOT follow its own rules, it will help drive even more people from the sport due to not belonging to the good ole boys club. I still see members (even officers) using the list to promote a product that will benefit them directly or indirectly financially.  

I remember when the judges rules of conduct was first introduced. I strongly objected to the one that said judges can't give feedback to the pilots. Maybe we need all pilots sign a rule of conduct at each and every meet? Kinda silly but if it would stop the crap.!!! 

 I also wonder how much sponsorship truly hurts our sport. The answer to that is not as clear cut, but I do know it gives some an advantage, sometimes significant over those working within a very tight budget. That does drive some away also.  If the leaders truly want to help the sport/hobby grow then troubling issues have to be addressed and corrected.   

Many times I've seen a few make proposals and rules that are contrary to the growth and well being of the sport. If their interests are to help the sport why make rules that go against the majority just to have it overturned anyway.  What does it accomplish?  To prove some can out smart the masses to get their way? 

If the day ever comes that the NSRCA does clean up its act and follows it own rules, then I may feel the desire to belong again. It sure is no where near there now. 

        Del 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Leonard Rudy 
  To: NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Chapter-5 Going too far.

  John,

       The conflict may have blossomed like a Hockey Game Conflict, but in the NHL
  those "with the power" hear both sides and let each side present their case before
  the powers to be assign penalties.  After the penalties are imposed, the player or 
  individual still has the right to appeal the decision.
       You say Eric should take whatever the powers to be want and don't make any
  noise or waves.
       This is a clear message to others who will be judging at meets in the future.  DO NOT GIVE THE GOOD OLD BOYS GROUP any low or bad scores or you may be on the receiving end of some form of penalty that you will not like.

  Len Rudy
    "Life is easier if you learn to plow around the stumps" or in other words, do not
  hand out low scores to the Good Old Boys or you will pay dearly for it one way or
  another. 

  Fred Huber <fhhuber at clearwire.net> wrote:
    The penalty does not appear appropriate...

    It also sounds like it was not applied in a manner consistant with the rules system.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: John Ferrell 
      To: Don Ramsey ; NSRCA Mailing List 
      Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:12 AM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Chapter-5 Going too far.

      I have the good fortune to not be involved in this dispute. I am only aware of the conflict.

      Not being very good at staying out of arguments, I offer the following observations:
      A heated difference of opinions occurred.
      Every one involved is considered a valuable asset to the Pattern Game.
      Things were said that should not have been said.
      Every one thinks they are right.
      There was probably at least one (or may be several) bad call(s) by some one.

      The conflict blossomed like a Hockey Game Conflict and the net result was those with the power and responsibility treated it like a Hockey Game Conflict! A serious "time out" was assigned to the individual at the focal point of the conflict. It was their duty to put the problem on ice. 

      The expectations of the rest of us who value the game and its players is that right or wrong the referee's call must be honored. The referee has the power to impose further penalties if the individual continues to make waves. Right or wrong, this is the was disputes are handled in the world of competition. 

      If the individual was drawn into the conflict by goading it is still he who gets the penalty.

      Conflict resolution is not something that is natural to the human condition. Conflict is.

      Eric needs to take the penalty and get on with things.Those in power need to accept that the penalty has been applied and to continue the game.

      WE ALL need to be aware that we either play nice or get sent to the showers! 

      Another factor to consider is that the higher profile one achieves in this sport the greater the need to hold that individual to higher standards.
      Eric is certainly a "high profile" player.

      John Ferrell    W8CCW
      "Life is easier if you learn to plow 
             around the stumps"
      http://DixieNC.US

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Don Ramsey 
        To: NSRCA Mailing List 
        Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 7:32 PM
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Chapter-5 Going too far.

        I would like to thank Eric for the nice complement in his comment, "To circumvent this conflict of interest problem and to keep the Nationals above reproach, I steeped out of line and asked Don Ramsey to independently choose the judges, Dave could not refuse this method, but I will tell you that he got extremely mad at me for doing it."

        I must respond that for good or bad I've been choosing the finals judges for many years.  I started that process when Jeff Hill was Event Director.  It must also be stated that I've never had any pressure of any kind from contest management regarding who I choose to judge.  I try to pick the best candidates and rotate those so no single judge can influence the outcome extradionarly.

        Don

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