[NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits

[Courtney, Gary Ray]

enzo baby enzo!!!!
 
gary

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John
Pavlick
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits


Gary, 
 Start looking for a used 308. You might be surprised...
 
John Pavlick
http://www.idseng.com

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Courtney, Gary Ray <mailto:grcourtney at tva.gov>  
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	Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:48 AM
	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits

	cost that is the issue!!!!!!
	 
	 I want a Ferrari but budgetary constraints force me to drive a
Toyota
	 
	 
	gary

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van
Putte
	Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:27 AM
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	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits
	
	
	It is said that you can't understand a person's problems until
you've walked a mile in their shoes.  John and I didn't understand what
the problems were regarding making weight with electric-powered
airplanes until he decided to compete with one.  I am still competing
with a glow-powered Focus. 

	John's airplane is under 5 Kg, but not by much.  Due to an
extensive weight-saving building job on his Black Magic by Mike Hester
and John's careful selection and installation of radio, batteries, ESC,
prop, motor, spinner, et al, his airplane is OK with weight, even in the
kind of winds we often see at the Nats.  He's thinking about the guys
who can't afford as much $$$ as he has invested in his setup.  The
average guy probably can't build an electric-powered 2 meter airplane
that makes weight and is competitive with the kind of budget required
for a glow-powered version of the same airplane.  

	Ron Van Putte 

	The learning curve is very steep.  
	
	On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Keith Black wrote:


		I fly electric but still would be against this proposal.

		 
		John F. makes some good points in his justification,
however, I simply think that Dave's counter points out "weigh" John's
points.
		
		 
		I think if you read Dave's post with an open mind and
not a pre-conceived "position" you feel you have to protect you'll find
his logic very compelling. 
		 
		BTW, I find this change of heart by you and John quite
amusing. This is probably unfair but it almost sounds as if one of you
can't get your new e-plane to make weight with the current rules. I'm
sure that's not true, but from the outside it certainly appears that
way.
		 
		I hope the real reason for "floating" this idea was to
get people opinions. If so I'm beginning to see a trend.
		 
		Keith Black 
		 
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			From: Ron Van Putte <mailto:vanputte at cox.net>  
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			Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:38 PM
			Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight
Limits

			I was also not aware that glow-powered airplanes
needed the handicap they already have.  I agree that, with innovative
design and $$$, electric-powered airplanes can compete with glow-powered
airplanes.  The ones who suffer from the weight inequity are those who
can't afford the $$$ to overcome the weight inequity. 

			Ron Van Putte

			On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:59 PM, John Ferrell wrote:


				I did not realize that the Electrics
were in need of a handicap. They seem to be doing just fine against the
recips under current rules. 
				 
				If you really think they need a little
help by all means give them a rule book boost!
				 
				John Ferrell    W8CCW
				"Life is easier if you learn to plow 
				       around the stumps"
				http://DixieNC.US
				

				----- Original Message ----- 
				From: Ron Van Putte
<mailto:vanputte at cox.net>  
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				Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:44 PM
				Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane
Weight Limits

				I just got this response from John
Fuqua.
				
				
				Ron Van Putte
				
				
				The guys are missing the point.  It is
not about what can be achieved on weight.  It is what is permitted by
the rules.  They are not arguing the logic of what the rules allow (in
most cases) but examples of what has been achieved.   Please make that
point. 

				 

				John


				
				

				From: Ron Van Putte
[mailto:vanputte at cox.net] 
				Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:18 PM
				To: Fuqua John D Mr CTR USAF 697 ARSF/EN
				Subject: Fwd: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:
Electric Weight Proposal Logic and Rationale



	
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