[NSRCA-discussion] Nats registration

Thu Jun 14 06:57:40 AKDT 2007

IMHO

Even a Sportman who barely know to fly their own sequences, doesn't mean
that can't judge even FAI pilots. If he has the knowledge and the
ability to judge correctly then you should use him to judge FAI. Is
common to think that a FAI pilot who has to know to fly with all the
rules in his mind must be a great judge but is not always the case, they
can be a terrible judge and a great flyer.
I had seen FAI judges that they aren't even pilots, but they know the
rules.

Arturo

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van
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My comments regarding not all Intermediate class pilots being qualified
to judge Advanced is from experience.  A lot of Intermediate class
pilots just moved up from Sportsman and barely know how to fly their own
sequences, much less judge a class above them.  They don't have the
basic knowledge of how to judge correctly.  I've had Intermediate pilots
ask to be assigned to any other job than being a judge of Advanced
pilots because they didn't feel qualified.  

Further, like all programs, our judging certification program often
leaves a lot to be desired.  Despite the efforts of a lot of people like
Don Ramsey, how many pilots just got certified by sitting in a group
with a lot of other guys who all took the "test" together?  I've seen it
happen far too often.   Judge certification classes run by Don Ramsey at
the Nats take several hours.  I've watched some local classes take less
than an hour and most of that was taking the test.  For experienced
judges, just taking the test is probably enough, because they have
familiarized themselves with changes to the rules and only need to take
the test.  However, I believe that pilots who are inexperienced judges
are being shortchanged at the local level.

Ron Van Putte

On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:12 AM, John Ferrell wrote:

	I find the lack of confidence in the Judging Certification
Program to be an insult to those who put forth so much effort into it.

	There are still a lot of Masters/FAI pilots who choose to not
waste their time knowing the AMA rule book. And there are many pilots
who are new to the Pattern Discipline that have read and continue to
read the Rule book like the Bible!

	The class one flies is not a good indicator of their judging
qualities.

	John Ferrell    W8CCW
	"Life is easier if you learn to plow 
	       around the stumps"
	http://DixieNC.US

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		From: Ron Van Putte <mailto:vanputte at cox.net>  
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		It is true that SOME Intermediate pilots are qualified
to judge Advanced and are used if they are.  The event director's job is
to discover who is qualified.  That's why we pay him the big $.  <VBG> 

		Ron Van Putte

		On Jun 13, 2007, at 5:51 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:

			Provided that the Intermediate pilots aren't
qualified to judge Advanced, right?  And since there are 20 Intermediate
pilots they can help out with judging Advanced as well - since everyone
has to be certified.

			On 6/13/07, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
wrote: 

				As a former Nats event director, I must
point out that the Master class pilots are used to judge the Advanced
AND F3A pilots, thus the problem with the number of Master class pilots.
If you use three judges on both Advanced lines, that's six judges each
session.  Then, if there are four F3A lines, that's another twelve
judges.  So, the first two sessions of Advanced and F3A requires 36
Master class judges.   Oh oh! we run out of Master class judges on the
third day if we only have 40 Master class pilots and nobody volunteers
to judge extra sessions.  That's why Dave Guerin's hair is turning
gray/falling out. 

				Ron Van Putte

				On Jun 13, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Derek
Koopowitz wrote:

				And for one year there will actually be
enough judges to judge Masters - we've always struggled with not having
enough F3A pilots to fill the Masters judging pool.

				On 6/13/07, Jim Woodward
<Jim.Woodward at armorholdings.com > wrote: 

				Wow - Awesome!  The Masters pilots will
get a taste of judging a highly attended FAI class!  :-) :-) :-) 

				Jim W.

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				It looks like we have 115 total
registered pilots for the Nats this year (from the AMA website)...

				Intermediate - 20

				Advanced - 16

				Masters - 40

				FAI - 39

				Those are excellent #'s and I'm hoping
that there will still be some late entries that will raise those numbers
even more.

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