[NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010
J N Hiller
jnhiller at earthlink.net
Thu Jul 26 09:37:55 AKDT 2007
What number is the reverse humpty?
Jim Hiller
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I flew this on the simulator. I also agree that the Cuban (at least it is
not reversed) seems odd after the 8 point. In order to include the 2/2 you
will generally want to make the loop a bit larger which means starting your
pull up earlier to stay in the box.
8 sided needs to be big or at least started high to finish high enough for
the reverse humpty.
Other than those concerns it seems to flow pretty well.
Stuart
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I did the same thing. Now that I've scrolled down, the proposed revised
schedule looks much better to me. The only concern I have is the 1/2
cuban with 2/2 that follows the 8-point roll. The 8-point inherantly
uses a lot of territory. Keeping anything that doesn't go immediately
vertical after the 8-point in the box will be difficult at best. FAI
P07 deals with that by having a stall turn maneuver follow the 8-point.
I don't recall any FAI schedule in recent years that doesn't maximize
the available box for an 8-point via the maneuvers on each end of it.
Verne
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From: Don Ramsey <donramsey at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:15 am
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> Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010Earl,
>
> I think you are reading the original schedule not the new proposed
> schedule.
> Don
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> 2009/2010
>
> It might make the judging efforts between Masters (FAI judges)
> and FAI (Masters judges) more consistent if the 2nd maneuver
> (Stall turn 1 1/4 up - 1 1/4 snap down) were changed slightly to
> be the same as P09 #9 (Stall turn 3/4 up - 1 1/4 down).
>
> Earl
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> From: Derek Koopowitz
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:26 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for
> 2009/2010
>
> Over the past couple of months we (the NSRCA board) have
> received a number of comments about the Masters sequence that was
> selected in 2005. We heard that the sequence had too many snaps,
> turnaround maneuvers did not allow positioning of the plane (in or
> out) after the 5th maneuver, and that the difficulty level from
> Advanced to Masters was further increased. There was also an
> error in the schedule in that one would come out of the Double
> Immelman (#10) inverted and head into the Humpty Bump (pull-push-
> pull) and head into the ground based on the description. The
> Masters schedule was published in the July 2005 issue of the K-
> Factor (Option A on page 25) - in order to correct the error,
> maneuver #9 was modifed to a 1/2 Square Loop with 1/2 Roll Down
> instead of the 1/2 Square Loop with 2/2 Pt Roll Down.
>
> The board felt that the original Masters sequence committee
> should revisit the schedule to look it over and perhaps make
> modifications. The original committee was Troy Newman (chair), Ed
> Alt, Dave Lockhart, Joe Lachoswki, Arch Stafford and Bob
> Pastorello. Bob dropped out since he no longer flies pattern.
> Troy and the team started working on it but Troy couldn't devote
> 100% of his time to it due to the Nats approaching and his
> commitment to trying to make the US team. Dave, Ed, Joe and Arch
> worked the sequence but decided that it would take too much
> modification to correct. Instead they came up with a revised
> schedule that the board felt was a worthy replacement. The board
> would like to submit this schedule to the Contest Board to be
> considered as a replacement for the original schedule.
>
> What do we need from everyone? We'd like to get your opinion
> on the sequence that was selected in 2005 and the new schedule
> that was created by the sequence committee to address the issues
> that were raised by a number of pilots.
>
> Here is the sequence that was selected:
>
> 2009 Masters 404 Option A
> KF
> 1 Takeoff Sequence 1
> 2 Stall Turn, 1-1/4 Roll Up, 1-1/4 Positive Snap down
> 5
> 3 Top-Hat with 1/4 Rolls, Exit INV 2
> 4 Cuban 8 with Full Rolls, Exit INV 4
> 5 Humpty Bump, with options (1/2's or 1/4's up and Down
> to Exit Upright) 2
> 6 Avalanche, 1-1/2 snap roll, Exit INV 4
> 7 1/2 Square Loop on Corner (1/2 Diamond Loop) 2
> 8 Eight-Sided Outside Loop from top 4
> 9 1/2 Square Loop, 1/2pt Roll down 2
> 10 Double Immelman, Full Rolls 4
> 11 Humpty Bump (pull-push-pull), Full Roll up, 1/2 Roll
> down 3
> 12 8pt Roll 4
> 13 Stall Turn, Full Roll up 2
> 14 Two Loops with 1/2 Rolls on top 4
> 15 1/2 Reverse Cuban 8 with 2/4pt Roll up 2
> 16 Two 2/2pt Rolls Reversed 4
> 17 Immelman Turn 2
> 18 45 degree down, 1-1/2 Positive Snap, Exit INV 3
> 19 1/2 Cuban 8, Exit INV 2
> 20 Triangle Loop with Snap Roll on top, Exit INV 4
> 21 1/2 Square Loop 1
> 22 Two 2-turn spins, Reversed 4
> 23 Landing 1
> Total 66
>
>
> Here is the new sequence that was created by the sequence
> committee:
>
> Proposed 2009-2010 Masters Sequence
>
> No. Kf
>
> 1 Takeoff (U) 1
> 2 Half Clover , with 2/4 pt roll up, 1/2 roll down
> (U) 4
> 3 Humpty bump, 2/4 pt. roll up (T) 2
> 4 Eight point roll (D) 4
> 5 1/2 Cuban 8, 2/2 pt. Roll (T) 2
> 6 Avalanche with 1-1/2 snap, INV entry (from bottom)
> (U) 4
> 7 Half square loop on corner w/ 1/2 rolls (T) 2
> 8 Eight sided loop from top, INV entry (D) 4
> 9 Reverse Humpty Bump w/Options from top(1/2 or 1/4
> rolls up and down) (T) 3
> 10 45 degree down with 1-1/2 snap roll (U) 3
> 11 Stall turn, half rolls, INV entry (T) 2
> 12 Four point roll, INV entry (D) 4
> 13 Humpty Bump(push,pull,pull), 2/4 pt. Roll Up, 1/2 Roll
> Down, INV entry (T) 3
> 14 Figure-M , with 3/4 Rolls (U) 5
> 15 Top Hat w/ 1/4 Rolls (T) 2
> 16 Two 2/2 pt. rolls reversed (D) 4
> 17 Immelmann Turn (T) 2
> 18 Hour Glass( MID entry, top first) 2/4 pt roll down
> (U) 5
> 19 Figure 9 from middle (INV entry, top first) (T)
> 1
> 20 Double Immelmann with Full Rolls (D) 3
> 21 Half Square Loop with 2/2 pt. roll up (T) 2
> 22 2-1/2 Turn Spin, INV entry, upright exit (U)
> 3
> 23 Landing (U) 1
>
> TOTAL 66
>
>
> Hopefully the above is legible. please let me know your
> thoughts.
>
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