[NSRCA-discussion] Was "contest" Small Contest Idea

Fri Jul 6 17:01:31 AKDT 2007

Was "contest"  Small Contest IdeaConcur 100%. 

     Del
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adrien L Terrenoire 
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 6:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Was "contest" Small Contest Idea

  I have taken my responses to others "off line" but since my name has been specifically brought up in this note, I will again respond to the group. I thought this dead horse had been beaten enough!

  I AM NOT UPSET!!!! I am just using this example of how a CD can get in trouble by NOT following the published information. Why does someone have to be upset to point out a percieved problem?

  For me, this was a unique situation. I had a birthday party for my 3 yr old grandson to attend in Greenwich, CT on Saturday. With the contest in Hadley, MA I had given some thought to attending it Sunday, but had decided against it several days earlier, so I was NOT directly affected by it at all. 

  I have never gone to the second day of a 2 day contest, and would not plan to, but I HAVE attended a few that HAVE had this happen. a couple years ago I was at one that had a new pilot come in on Sunday and he was denied entrance to the contest, and not permitted to fly!!! That too is wrong!!!

  Maybe I am just old fashion. I like to see everyone follow the rules. And just for the record...this is the 3rd time I have written this...If I had been one of the pilots there Saturday, I probably WOULD have voted the way everyone else did...but only after making the CD aware of the potential problem with the decision.

  The reasons for changing are all good reasons, tying up the club field, lack of income, needed manpower, etc, but it still violates the rule of Doing what has been published. Think about the new comer who may not be able to make it Sat but can make Sunday...He certainly does not have the forsite to call the CD to see if he has changed the 2 day event to a 1 day. Why would he even think that might happen? He would have very good grounds for a formal complaint. That is the ONLY point I am attempting to get everyone to understand!!! We are trying to get new blood into the sport and this could be very damaging. As it stands, noone was hurt. I don't think anyone is mad or upset, except a few who are livid with me for even bringing it up.

  Maybe everyone would rather just keep their head in the sand and pretend that this could never be a problem!

  On one thread a comparison was made to scheduling a "2 day" event, but it was really a 1 day with the Sunday reserved as a rain date. That is certainly NOT the same thing as a SCHEDULED 2 day contest!

  Ken: If you want to aim the arrow, take it off line and I'll be glad to converse with you directly!

  Terry T.

  On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:04:31 -0500 "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net> writes:
    Not disputing that fact, rules are rules.  The "arrow" was meant for Terry who seemed extremely upset that a contest layout was changed without his knowledge, and that he "may" have traveled to that contest on the second day, which we all know wasn't held.  I understand that all of the rules are meant to be followed, I wouldn't have it any other way, but in certain cases "maybe" a allowance of flexibility needs to be entertained.  I don't believe the rules allow this, at the moment, however, it's certainly worth discussing in the future.

    For the record, I don't mean to call Terry out on this subject, I understand his concerns, however, the rules may be a little vague on this subject, I'm going to check before the feedback hits.

    And just so you know, Del, if I had an issue with your take on this subject, I'd let you know, I'm not one to hold much in.;-)

    Ken
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Del K. Rykert 
      To: NSRCA Mailing List 
      Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:34 PM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Was "contest" Small Contest Idea

      Hi Ken

      Don't know "who" your arrow is meant for Ken, but rules are rules for ALL to follow... all the time... I am just making others that maybe aren't aware or others may even think it is ok to break the rules.  If we stop following the rules, or only pick and choose which rules on a given day we decide to follow how is that help the growth of pattern.  People that are new or 1st time entering may have read the rules come to expect that the organization does follow the rules. I for one, hate to see some, start to condone that the rules are their to use when they see fit. 

          Del
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Ken Thompson 
        To: NSRCA Mailing List 
        Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:04 PM
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Was "contest" Small Contest Idea

        Mark,

        I remember Arch telling me about that contest, and it sounded like you guys all had a great time.  I just can't imagine anyone complaining that "you didn't follow the advertised agenda, so I'm calling the AMA".

        Not speaking of anyone in particular...ok, maybe I am...

        Ken 
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Mark Atwood 
          To: NSRCA Mailing List 
          Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:52 PM
          Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Was "contest" Small Contest Idea

          Reading this thread reminded me of a contest that Arch Stafford had a few years back where we had a total of 9 or 10 people show up 3 of which were local sportsman pilots.  We had a full spread too, with 1 or 2 in each class.   It didn't make much sense to hold a traditional contest but we were all there to have some pattern "fun". Soooooo...  We made it a 2 class contest.  The sportsman pilots each flew 2 rounds at a time (One takeoff and landing), with lots of feedback (the entire group judged each flight) and they had a very competitive well judged event.  

          The rest of us ALL flew the advanced pattern, with Handicaps.   FAI got -1pt per maneuver,  Masters -1/2pt, Advanced flew it straight up, and Intermediate pilots got +1pts.   

          It was not only a lot of fun (Everyone but the advanced guys were flying an unknown for the most part) but it also was a VERY tight contest.  I don't recall who won...didn't really matter. 

          No..it  didn't follow the advertised sanctioned contest, but it was great fun, competitive, a very good learning/practicing event, and it made the best from the turnout we had.

          -Mark 

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