[NSRCA-discussion] Was "contest" Small Contest Idea
Ken Thompson
mrandmrst at comcast.net
Thu Jul 5 17:13:54 AKDT 2007
Hi Jim,
As I said in my previous post, I'm not at all calling Terry out on this, please understand that. When someone types in all CAPS, it's normally meant as yelling. There were a couple of places in Terry's post on the subject that this was the case, which I took as him being upset. If I was wrong, I humble apologize.
As you will see in my quoting of Terry's post, he states he "would have been really p***ed off" if he had made the trip. That is what I took as him being upset. Of course he didn't make the trip, so he wasn't upset, that I fully understand.
----- Original Message -----
From: Adrien L Terrenoire
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest
When John made that decision did he consider that there may be a flyer who could only make it Sunday?? At one point that option was one I considered. I had a birthday party for my 3 year old grandson in CT, and I gave consideration to coming home Sunday by way of the contest. Needless to say, I would have been really P*****d if I had gotten there just to find out that it had been turned into a one day affair. That is NOT following AMA guidelines for a contest adminstration. The CD MUST adhear to the advertised event schedule.
Terry T.
Ken Thompson
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Quinn
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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Was "contest" Small Contest Idea
Hi,
I don't think my frind Terry was very upset. I talked with him on Saturday evening and told him the contest was complete on the first day. He wasn't traveling to Hadley on Sunday. He made a great choice to spend Saturday with his grandson and celebrate his third birthday.
I thought we pilots agreed that the outcome was determined by the fifth round on Saturday. It made no sense to fly the sixth or even the seventh round on Sunday. Someone coming in for Sunday only couldn't have achieved enough points to make any difference to the points already scored by the other pilots. I thought the CD just rubber stamped the pilots decision.
The bottom line is we had a great time at Hadley this year and I hope Del and Terry and all the other pilots who missed it this year will put it on their calendars for 2008. Hadley is a great place to fly and have an aerobatic good time.
Jim Quinn
Ken Thompson <mrandmrst at comcast.net> wrote:
Not disputing that fact, rules are rules. The "arrow" was meant for Terry who seemed extremely upset that a contest layout was changed without his knowledge, and that he "may" have traveled to that contest on the second day, which we all know wasn't held. I understand that all of the rules are meant to be followed, I wouldn't have it any other way, but in certain cases "maybe" a allowance of flexibility needs to be entertained. I don't believe the rules allow this, at the moment, however, it's certainly worth discussing in the future.
For the record, I don't mean to call Terry out on this subject, I understand his concerns, however, the rules may be a little vague on this subject, I'm going to check before the feedback hits.
And just so you know, Del, if I had an issue with your take on this subject, I'd let you know, I'm not one to hold much in.;-)
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: Del K. Rykert
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Was "contest" Small Contest Idea
Hi Ken
Don't know "who" your arrow is meant for Ken, but rules are rules for ALL to follow... all the time... I am just making others that maybe aren't aware or others may even think it is ok to break the rules. If we stop following the rules, or only pick and choose which rules on a given day we decide to follow how is that help the growth of pattern. People that are new or 1st time entering may have read the rules come to expect that the organization does follow the rules. I for one, hate to see some, start to condone that the rules are their to use when they see fit.
Del
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Thompson
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Was "contest" Small Contest Idea
Mark,
I remember Arch telling me about that contest, and it sounded like you guys all had a great time. I just can't imagine anyone complaining that "you didn't follow the advertised agenda, so I'm calling the AMA".
Not speaking of anyone in particular...ok, maybe I am...
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Atwood
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Was "contest" Small Contest Idea
Reading this thread reminded me of a contest that Arch Stafford had a few years back where we had a total of 9 or 10 people show up 3 of which were local sportsman pilots. We had a full spread too, with 1 or 2 in each class. It didn't make much sense to hold a traditional contest but we were all there to have some pattern "fun". Soooooo... We made it a 2 class contest. The sportsman pilots each flew 2 rounds at a time (One takeoff and landing), with lots of feedback (the entire group judged each flight) and they had a very competitive well judged event.
The rest of us ALL flew the advanced pattern, with Handicaps. FAI got -1pt per maneuver, Masters -1/2pt, Advanced flew it straight up, and Intermediate pilots got +1pts.
It was not only a lot of fun (Everyone but the advanced guys were flying an unknown for the most part) but it also was a VERY tight contest. I don't recall who won...didn't really matter.
No..it didn't follow the advertised sanctioned contest, but it was great fun, competitive, a very good learning/practicing event, and it made the best from the turnout we had.
-Mark
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