[NSRCA-discussion] Bad fuel
dwaynenancy
dwaynenancy at cox.net
Mon Jan 15 17:57:05 AKST 2007
Jim, I'm in the process of doing that. Going to get rid of all the
brass. By the way, I had 3 filters in line when I had the problem. Dwayne
jivey61 at bellsouth.net wrote:
>Dwayne
>I change the brass tubing in the tanks to aluminum tubing...solves this
>problem and is lighter.FWIW you can change the fuel line between the tank
>and engine firewall to aluminum tubing and that is lighter than fuel line
>also.
>
>Jim Ivey
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>From: "dwaynenancy" <dwaynenancy at cox.net>
>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bad fuel
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>>I had the same problem. Cause was the corroded brass pickup. I've now
>>use only the sintered bronze pickup from DuBro. The only problem with
>>it is that it still has brass tubing but that could be covered by fuel
>>tubing. Still need to check it once in awhile. Dwayne
>>
>>jivey61 at bellsouth.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Peter
>>>I had fuel trouble 1.5 years ago and my problem was the can I was
>>>pouring fuel into to pump it into the fuel tank.
>>>Something in the tank was growing and contaminating the fuel.I lost
>>>most of the flying season twiddling and tweaking.I found my problem
>>>when I tried flying both my planes in the same day. I realized both
>>>had the same trouble and the only common thing was the fuel out of the
>>>fill can.
>>>From now own I pump fuel out of the plastic jug and have not had
>>>problem since.
>>>Do you pump out of the jugs? Hope this idea helps.
>>>
>>>Jim Ivey
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Peter Pennisi <mailto:pentagon.systems at bigpond.com>
>>> *To:* 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2007 1:06 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bad fuel
>>>
>>> Hi Matt,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I did try the run the suspect fuel in my DZ 160 as well as my heli
>>> and I had problems with both. As suggested the engine at WOT
>>> seemed to run fine but neither engine would idle or transition
>>> reliably. I replaced plugs and stuffed around with tuning and even
>>> swapped an engine out until I worked out the fuel was the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It looks as if the fuel will be destined for the garden shed. 30%
>>> glow fuel is an excellent igniter for weed eaters which are
>>> stubborn to start. Throw a little down the throttle barrel and the
>>> unit roars to life on the first pull start every time guaranteed.
>>> I even tried to run it on this stuff some time ago but that is a
>>> different story.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you all for your help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 16 January 2007 03:43 AM
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bad fuel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No it does not. Water is totally miscible in the methanol and will
>>> not come out of solution. Methanol could be dried using silica
>>> gel, an industrial desiccant, by passing the fuel through a
>>> filtering bed containing the desiccant.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There was a study done a few years ago by Joe Wagner
>>>
>>> or Peter Chinn I believe (noted engine men) who added a
>>> considerable percentage to regular model fuel and got surprising
>>> results....the engine produced more power. The theory was that
>>> oxygen available from the decomposition of water was available for
>>> more complete combustion of the fuel. Of course, that's at full
>>> throttle.....I would question the transition qualities of any
>>> water containing fuel, and transition is what we drive for most.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete, if you haven't done it yet, it would be worthwhile to
>>> actually run the stuff before making any decisions as to what to
>>> do next
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> MattK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: patterndude at tx.rr.com
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 1:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bad fuel
>>>
>>> Does this really work? The water that is in solution will
>>> separate and freeze?
>>>
>>> --Lance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> *From:* _Koenig, Tom_
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>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:23 PM
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bad fuel
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>>>
>>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stick it in the freezer. The water will freeze, just skim it
>>>
>>>
>off.
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>>>
>>> Tom
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>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf Of
>>> *Peter Pennisi
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 15 January 2007 9:11 AM
>>> *To:* 'NSRCA Mailing List'
>>> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Bad fuel
>>>
>>> I have 4 gallons of 30% nitro fuel which was mixed
>>> with bad Methanol (unknown at the time) the rest of
>>> the ingredients were fine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am assuming that moisture may have got the drum of
>>> methanol but I am not sure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there anything I can do to recover this fuel for at
>>> least sport plane use or do I count my losses and
>>> throw it out?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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