[NSRCA-discussion] List rules clarification question (long)

Sun Jan 14 14:21:52 AKST 2007

Jay,
I have answered questions like this from the list with a private email.  I 
do not want to overstep the fuzzy bounds.

Although I've not done the following, I muse, if many people are looking for 
something, what's the difference between a vendor saying "I have one" vs. 
someone on the list posting "vendor X has them"?  If you think there's a big 
difference, then what about vendors then simply emailing their friends to 
post that statemetn for them?

--Lance

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List rules clarification question (long)

> When I can't find a solution to a problem, is it wrong for a vendor and 
> list
> member to answer on the list : "Try this. I have one in stock?"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Lance Van
> Nostrand
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:21 PM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] List rules clarification question (long)
>
> I am sorry for how long this post is but please consider this:  I've been
> watching this closely as I assume other active pattern fliers/vendors are.
> Marty does a fantastic job moderating and managing but I think the nsrca
> needs to set the list rules.
>
> I'm a vendor to our hobby, but as you know I'm first a regular modeler,
> nsrca D6 VP volunteer and the reason I'm a vendor is because of my 
> addiction
>
> to pattern, not a desire to make a lot of $$$.  I could stop in a 
> heartbeat
> and since my business never makes any money anyway, would probably be
> happier.  Other vendors may not be as extremely demented as me, but they 
> are
>
> close.  You probably already know this because making products for a
> community of only about 1500 people where all have nearly unrealistic
> expectations for perfection is pretty crazy/stupid.  I needed to state 
> that
> so you can understand my perspective.
>
> I never have used the list for AeroSlave stuff, but on occasion I have
> wanted to badly.  This is why I'm asking for us all to create a
> clarification proposal that the officers can look at.  If we do a good job
> I'll propose the result.
>
> Here's my take:  I agree that the list should not be used for regular
> product advertising or for announcing special sales.  The KFactor that we
> all love is heavily dependent on advertising and since the nsrca manages
> both the public "list" and the members-only magazine, we can decide that
> regular advertising should be place there.  However, in the same breath, I
> know that if we all decided to walk away from this list and go to RCU, 
> then
> we would be subject to their rules, which don't have many restrictions and
> even provide product manufacturer forums.  So the real issue is not how
> vendors can get free advertising,but what do WE want OUR list to be.  I
> reserve the right to change my mind at any time but initiate discussion 
> with
>
> this proposal:
> =======
> Any item not normal "stock" for any seller can be announced on the list.
> This would include non-business guys selling their plane or DZ160 (because 
> a
>
> single sale would not count as normal "stock") and vendors that have
> acquired/developed something special and want to announce it to the 
> pattern
> world.
> =======
> I could present a good example from AeroSlave but to avoid any appearance 
> of
>
> conflict let me restate some facts from a few years ago.  Everyone knew 
> that
>
> Radio South sold "orange box" glow drivers.  Whent he new "yellow" box
> design came out there was a post announcing the product and a bit of
> discussion that followed.  Long term advertising has been in the KFactor, 
> on
>
> their website and in other locations, but not this list.  I think this was
> an acceptable and proper use of this list and the community benefitted
> without crossing the line.
>
> Remember, there are a lot of list members that aren't NSRCA members and
> don't get the KFactor, but they still buy pattern products.  There just
> aren't that many of us to afford completely shutting off vendors to this
> list, so there needs to be some accommodation.  Remember also that us
> vendors are NOT getting rich at your expense.  Some products are duds and 
> if
>
> we can't sell enough of the good products we will stop altogether (e.g. 
> how
> many US pattern kit manufacturers are left, R.I P. Gene M, Henry Piorun,
> Dixie, Piedmont1, Gator, PAC.  I think AeroSlave and Piedmont2 are all
> that's left).  This is not good for any of us.
>
> --Lance
> Leading laborer at AeroSlave
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lisa & Larry" <lld613 at psci.net>
> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 9:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List rules... ??
>
>
>> Del is correct. This policy is on the NSRCA Website:
>>
>> http://nsrca.org/discussionA.htm
>>
>> It states, "A word on netiquette. These messages are going to be viewed 
>> by
>
>> a
>> lot of people. Please keep the topics to that of interest to pattern
>> competitors. We don't want to create more spam out there! Using this list
>> for commercial purposes is prohibited. If you are an individual (or 
>> acting
>> as such) and want to sell your plane, fine. If you are a dealer, well,
>> it's
>> not fair to use this list. (Contact the ad manager at the NSRCA News
>> Letter
>> for a better way.)"
>>
>> Now for Ihncheol Park...I have talked with him through e-mail and read
>> many
>> of his post. I strongly believe him when he says that he wouldn't have
>> done
>> it if he'd known.
>>
>> With that said there is a balance. We don't want this list filled with
>> sale
>> items from suppliers or hobby shops. On the other hand, most would like 
>> to
>> know about good deals on hard to find items. Perhaps this is a challenge
>> the
>> NSRCA leadership could look at for balance.
>>
>> Good catch Del and thanks Ihncheol for your humble response and apology 
>> in
>> accepting the policy.
>>
>> Larry Diamond
>> NSRCA 5024
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Del K.
>> Rykert
>> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:09 AM
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] List rules... ??
>>
>> Hi John..
>>    When I was invited to join the list by Tom Weedon it was explained to
>> me
>>
>> that we could post items for sale as long as we didn't have a hobby
>> business
>>
>> or assist a hobby business sell/promote items on the list. At a time when
>> the K-Factor is trying recruit advertisers I would think it wise the
>> policy
>> would stay in effect. But again what do I truly know.
>>    I have apparently annoyed to many that want to keep things as they are
>> so now be labeled on every one of my posts in the subject line. Guess 
>> that
>> is part of the good ole boy network at work again.
>>
>>    ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "John Ferrell" <johnferrell at earthlink.net>
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] DelRe: YS 160DZ on Special Pricing
>>
>>
>>>I am unaware of any rule prohibiting business promotions or personal
>>> advertising.
>>> If there is, I need a pointer to the rules before I get in deeper.
>>>
>>> John Ferrell    W8CCW
>>> "My Competition is not my enemy"
>>> http://DixieNC.US
>>
>>
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