[NSRCA-discussion] List rules clarification question (long)

[Lance Van Nostrand]

I am sorry for how long this post is but please consider this:  I've been 
watching this closely as I assume other active pattern fliers/vendors are. 
Marty does a fantastic job moderating and managing but I think the nsrca 
needs to set the list rules.

I'm a vendor to our hobby, but as you know I'm first a regular modeler, 
nsrca D6 VP volunteer and the reason I'm a vendor is because of my addiction 
to pattern, not a desire to make a lot of $$$.  I could stop in a heartbeat 
and since my business never makes any money anyway, would probably be 
happier.  Other vendors may not be as extremely demented as me, but they are 
close.  You probably already know this because making products for a 
community of only about 1500 people where all have nearly unrealistic 
expectations for perfection is pretty crazy/stupid.  I needed to state that 
so you can understand my perspective.

I never have used the list for AeroSlave stuff, but on occasion I have 
wanted to badly.  This is why I'm asking for us all to create a 
clarification proposal that the officers can look at.  If we do a good job 
I'll propose the result.

Here's my take:  I agree that the list should not be used for regular 
product advertising or for announcing special sales.  The KFactor that we 
all love is heavily dependent on advertising and since the nsrca manages 
both the public "list" and the members-only magazine, we can decide that 
regular advertising should be place there.  However, in the same breath, I 
know that if we all decided to walk away from this list and go to RCU, then 
we would be subject to their rules, which don't have many restrictions and 
even provide product manufacturer forums.  So the real issue is not how 
vendors can get free advertising,but what do WE want OUR list to be.  I 
reserve the right to change my mind at any time but initiate discussion with 
this proposal:
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Any item not normal "stock" for any seller can be announced on the list. 
This would include non-business guys selling their plane or DZ160 (because a 
single sale would not count as normal "stock") and vendors that have 
acquired/developed something special and want to announce it to the pattern 
world.
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I could present a good example from AeroSlave but to avoid any appearance of 
conflict let me restate some facts from a few years ago.  Everyone knew that 
Radio South sold "orange box" glow drivers.  Whent he new "yellow" box 
design came out there was a post announcing the product and a bit of 
discussion that followed.  Long term advertising has been in the KFactor, on 
their website and in other locations, but not this list.  I think this was 
an acceptable and proper use of this list and the community benefitted 
without crossing the line.

Remember, there are a lot of list members that aren't NSRCA members and 
don't get the KFactor, but they still buy pattern products.  There just 
aren't that many of us to afford completely shutting off vendors to this 
list, so there needs to be some accommodation.  Remember also that us 
vendors are NOT getting rich at your expense.  Some products are duds and if 
we can't sell enough of the good products we will stop altogether (e.g. how 
many US pattern kit manufacturers are left, R.I P. Gene M, Henry Piorun, 
Dixie, Piedmont1, Gator, PAC.  I think AeroSlave and Piedmont2 are all 
that's left).  This is not good for any of us.

--Lance
Leading laborer at AeroSlave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lisa & Larry" <lld613 at psci.net>
To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List rules... ??


> Del is correct. This policy is on the NSRCA Website:
>
> http://nsrca.org/discussionA.htm
>
> It states, "A word on netiquette. These messages are going to be viewed by 
> a
> lot of people. Please keep the topics to that of interest to pattern
> competitors. We don't want to create more spam out there! Using this list
> for commercial purposes is prohibited. If you are an individual (or acting
> as such) and want to sell your plane, fine. If you are a dealer, well, 
> it's
> not fair to use this list. (Contact the ad manager at the NSRCA News 
> Letter
> for a better way.)"
>
> Now for Ihncheol Park...I have talked with him through e-mail and read 
> many
> of his post. I strongly believe him when he says that he wouldn't have 
> done
> it if he'd known.
>
> With that said there is a balance. We don't want this list filled with 
> sale
> items from suppliers or hobby shops. On the other hand, most would like to
> know about good deals on hard to find items. Perhaps this is a challenge 
> the
> NSRCA leadership could look at for balance.
>
> Good catch Del and thanks Ihncheol for your humble response and apology in
> accepting the policy.
>
> Larry Diamond
> NSRCA 5024
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Del K. 
> Rykert
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:09 AM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] List rules... ??
>
> Hi John..
>    When I was invited to join the list by Tom Weedon it was explained to 
> me
>
> that we could post items for sale as long as we didn't have a hobby 
> business
>
> or assist a hobby business sell/promote items on the list. At a time when
> the K-Factor is trying recruit advertisers I would think it wise the 
> policy
> would stay in effect. But again what do I truly know.
>    I have apparently annoyed to many that want to keep things as they are
> so now be labeled on every one of my posts in the subject line. Guess that
> is part of the good ole boy network at work again.
>
>    ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Ferrell" <johnferrell at earthlink.net>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] DelRe: YS 160DZ on Special Pricing
>
>
>>I am unaware of any rule prohibiting business promotions or personal
>> advertising.
>> If there is, I need a pointer to the rules before I get in deeper.
>>
>> John Ferrell    W8CCW
>> "My Competition is not my enemy"
>> http://DixieNC.US
>
>
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