[NSRCA-discussion] Aileron servo arm size and resolution?

vicenterc at comcast.net vicenterc at comcast.net
Thu Jan 4 06:54:46 AKST 2007


Kelly,

I understood that you are flying Sportsman.  Therefore, don't worry about snaps and spins.  You will learn to set the plane for those maneuvers later.  

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

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From: Kelly Regan <kelly.regan2 at verizon.net> 

> Dave and Fred, 
> 
> Just a little more info on how I try and set up the planes... 
> 
> I always adjust the linkages so I have near zero sub trim and 0 
> radio trim. I always try to give the servo's the best mechanical 
> advantage possible and still get the throw I need. 
> 
> I have read the trimming guide published by Peter Goldsmith in the 
> AMA mag last year and try to follow that when setting up my planes. 
> 
> I was at almost the full servo throw - 45 degree's on the ailerons. If 
> I go to the outside hole of the round wheel that should give me aprox. 
> 35 degree rotation in each direction. that will give me some room 
> for a higher rate condition for snap, spins if I need it. 
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Lockhart wrote: 
> > Kelly, 
> > 
> > Without going into default and max/min values for each parameter for each 
> > brand radio, endpoints, ATV, AFR, dual rates, mixers (built in, or Pmixes, 
> > or differential mixes), and trim all have an effect on the amount of servo 
> > travel. You will have max servo resolution when the servo moves through the 
> > full range of available travel (typically 90 degrees, 45 degrees each 
> > direction). 
> > 
> > The setup is a compromise between "speed" and resolution. Move the linkage 
> > out on the servo and reset the servo throw to yield the same control surface 
> > deflection, and the resolution has gone down and the time needed for the 
> > control surface to reach max deflection has also gone down. 
> > 
> > So, if your flying rates have 45 degrees of servo rotation in each 
> > direction, you are at max resolution. In practice, if your servos are 
> > moving 30-35 degrees in each direction, you will be in pretty good shape, 
> > and you have some servo throw "leftover" to accommodate trim, sub trims, and 
> > mixers. 
> > 
> > Dave 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Regan 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:27 PM 
> > To: NSRCA Mailing List 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron servo arm size and resolution? 
> > 
> > I forgot to add that I am running 6.0 volts with a 
> > 7.2 volt li-ion pack and Fromco regulator. 
> > 
> > Fred, can you explain or give me an example of what you 
> > mean by bad control system? 
> > 
> > I have been trying to understand the affects of high atv's and resolution 
> > for a long time and the information I find is conflicting. 
> > 
> > At what point do you realize full resolution? 100% ATV and 100% 
> > on the duel rate screen? Is there an advantage in going to 130% ATV 
> > as far as resolution is concerned? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> You should get your full surface travel (high rate) as close to 100% ATV 
> >> setting as possible. ATV is a trap and if abused can lead to some really 
> >> bad control system installations. 
> >> 
> >> FHH 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Kelly Regan" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:14 PM 
> >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron servo arm size and resolution? 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> What length servo arms do you run on the ailerons? 
> >>> 
> >>> Why do I ask.... 
> >>> 
> >>> When I first set up my Brio with the 9411 sa's on the ailerons 
> >>> I wanted to make sure I had full servo/radio resolution. 
> >>> 
> >>> I fly with a Futaba 9C and have CHP control arms on the ailerons. 
> >>> 
> >>> I set my ATV or End Point in the 9C to 130. I used a standard JR 
> >>> servo wheel with the linkage set to the inner most hole. In order to 
> >>> get the 1/2" aileron travel per the Brio manual I ended up with 120% 
> >>> duel rate. It was my understanding that this is exactly what I wanted. 
> >>> High ATV and high duel rate for full resolution? 
> >>> 
> >>> When Don flew my plane he said the aileron servo's seemed slow 
> >>> to him? He was surprised to hear I had 9411sa's. He suggested 
> >>> that I use longer servo arms and reduce the ATV to 100% to make 
> >>> the to keep the throw at 1/2" while increasing the surface speed. 
> >>> 
> >>> Tonight I installed the shortest Dubro arms with the linkage on the inner 
> >>> most hole. That put the numbers at 100% ATV but I had to reduce 
> >>> the duel rate way down to 50% to get the same 1/2" throw. 
> >>> 
> >>> Am I wrong in assuming that cuts my resolution in half? 
> >>> 
> >>> I wanted to get you opinions on since I am now totally confused. 
> >>> 
> >>> What does a faster aileron speed do for me versus the loss of resolution? 
> >>> What is an acceptable loss in resolution to gain the speed? 
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks for you help 
> >>> 
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