[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question

[Gene Maurice]

I the case you mention I would agree. The maneuver is a half square with a 2
of 4 point. The point roll is but a single point and only one element of the
maneuver. In the case of the four point roll, miss one I would SIGNIFICANTLY
downgrade, 5-6 points, miss more than one then it’s a zero. Because 1)
multiple major errors, 2) it’s no longer the defined maneuver. I made and
assumption in my statement that multiple points were missed. 

 

As someone else stated, I’d like to see the pilot that could execute a 1.25
second 4 point poll correctly. Then I’d like to meet the judge that could
actually ascertain that all of the elements necessary were present and
executed correctly. The point I was trying to make is that it is the pilot’s
responsibility to show the elements of the maneuver. As a judge, if you
didn’t clearly see it, it didn’t happen, ergo it becomes a missed element of
the maneuver. 

Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
Plano, TX
AMA 3408, NSRCA 877

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Lisa & Larry
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:07 PM
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Last year I scored a zero for not hesitating on a point roll in a ½ square
w/ 2/4 point. The pilot approached me and asked about the zero. In our
discussion the pilot asked if I blinked. I couldn’t rule out that I may have
but I didn’t see the hesitation and I could score it as such. After talking
to a couple of folks, I learned that a zero isn’t warranted on the basis of
-no hesitation- for a point roll. After talking with the CD I did correct my
score based on the rule outlined on page RCA-20 for Rolls, note 4. Pretty
close to the same wording as last year. I wanted to make sure I scored it
correctly based on what I saw.

 

So I learned two things on that day
One, make sure I don’t blink when
judging point rolls
Two, not hesitating on a point rolls is not a zero
although it should be a severe downgrade of 5 or more points.

 

Larry

 

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene Maurice
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:38 PM
To: randy10926 at comtekmail.com; 'NSRCA Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question

 

If the points are so fast as to make it indiscernible what angle they
occurred at, then I would tend to doubt whether the point occurred at all.
Score 0. It is the pilot’s responsibility to present the maneuver in such a
manner to demonstrate that the maneuver has in fact been done according to
the rules. I sincerely doubt that a 4 point can be done in 1.25 seconds with
defined stops in the roll every 90 degrees. But it remains that if, as a
judge, you cannot clearly see the relevant elements of any maneuver being
performed, then you should assume that IT HAS NOT been performed. The
elements must be demonstrated not assumed. 

 

Don Ramsey, can you clarify?

 

Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
Plano, TX
AMA 3408, NSRCA 877

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hatfield
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:24 AM
To: nsrca-discuss list 
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question

 

Ok time to get back to our favorite list questions.

This comes from a real life judging problem.  The question is about the
4-point roll.  This what I am seeing.  A 4 point roll that takes less than
1.25 second to complete.  You can see 4 very short pauses.  The manever
appears to be centered.  I see no change in height or coming in or out.  It
appears to be between 150M and 175M.  But the pauses are so short that I
cannot really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90 degrees.  So I cannot
see what the 1 point per 15 degree down grade should be.


What would you do?


Randy

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