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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I the case you mention I would agree. The
maneuver is a half square with a 2 of 4 point. The point roll is but a single
point and only one element of the maneuver. In the case of the four point roll,
miss one I would SIGNIFICANTLY downgrade, 5-6 points, miss more than one then
it’s a zero. Because 1) multiple major errors, 2) it’s no longer
the defined maneuver. I made and assumption in my statement that multiple points
were missed. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As someone else stated, I’d like to
see the pilot that could execute a 1.25 second 4 point poll correctly. Then I’d
like to meet the judge that could actually ascertain that all of the elements necessary
were present and executed correctly. The point I was trying to make is that it
is the pilot’s responsibility to show the elements of the maneuver. As a
judge, if you didn’t clearly see it, it didn’t happen, ergo it
becomes a missed element of the maneuver. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>Gene Maurice<br>
gene.maurice@sgmservice.com<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Plano</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">TX</st1:State></st1:place><br>
AMA 3408, NSRCA 877</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lisa & Larry<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February 28, 2007
4:07 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Judging Question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Last year I scored a zero for not
hesitating on a point roll in a ½ square w/ 2/4 point. The pilot approached me
and asked about the zero. In our discussion the pilot asked if I blinked. I
couldn’t rule out that I may have but I didn’t see the hesitation
and I could score it as such. After talking to a couple of folks, I learned
that a zero isn’t warranted on the basis of -no hesitation- for a point
roll. After talking with the CD I did correct my score based on the rule outlined
on page RCA-20 for Rolls, note 4. Pretty close to the same wording as last
year. I wanted to make sure I scored it correctly based on what I saw.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So I learned two things on that
day…One, make sure I don’t blink when judging point
rolls…Two, not hesitating on a point rolls is not a zero although it
should be a severe downgrade of 5 or more points.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Larry<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gene Maurice<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February 28, 2007
1:38 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">randy10926@comtekmail.com</st1:PersonName>;
'<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Judging Question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If the points are so fast as to make it
indiscernible what angle they occurred at, then I would tend to doubt whether the
point occurred at all. Score 0. It is the pilot’s responsibility to
present the maneuver in such a manner to demonstrate that the maneuver has in
fact been done according to the rules. I sincerely doubt that a 4 point can be
done in 1.25 seconds with defined stops in the roll every 90 degrees. But it
remains that if, as a judge, you cannot clearly see the relevant elements of
any maneuver being performed, then you should assume that IT HAS NOT been
performed. The elements must be demonstrated not assumed. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Don Ramsey, can you clarify?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>Gene Maurice<br>
gene.maurice@sgmservice.com<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Plano</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">TX</st1:State></st1:place><br>
AMA 3408, NSRCA 877</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Glenn Hatfield<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February 28, 2007
10:24 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> nsrca-discuss list <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion]
Judging Question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Ok time to get back to our favorite list questions.<br>
<br>
This comes from a real life judging problem. The question is about the
4-point roll. This what I am seeing. A 4 point roll that takes less
than 1.25 second to complete. You can see 4 very short pauses. The
manever appears to be centered. I see no change in height or coming in or
out. It appears to be between 150M and 175M. But the pauses are so
short that I cannot really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90
degrees. So I cannot see what the 1 point per 15 degree down grade should
be.<br>
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What would you do?<br>
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Randy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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