[NSRCA-discussion] WC '07

Tue Dec 18 14:22:44 AKST 2007

Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WC '07Kieth-I have a cut of sorts, of the basic maneuvers with all elements it is made up of, anf then the variations . I'll see if I can find it--did it while working with TN on the Sequences a couple years ago. If f I can I will send you a sample , I thenk it ran 50 some pages in Xcell.
Jerry
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Black 
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  Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 4:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WC '07

  LVN> "A maneuver may have more than one base class."

  KB> Oooh oooh, finally a usage for multiple inheritance. Guess this won't be written in Java.

  If you don't understand this you're not geeky enough. Just ignore it.

  Keith
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lance Van Nostrand 
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    Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:08 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WC '07

    Mark,
    Consider how to handle manuvers with options.  I think the easiest way is to treat all options as different manuvers in the database.

    I would build the app to separate the database and rules engine from the actual manuver description list. The cross index between the app and the manuver descriptions is an index key.  This allows the system to expand to produce a list of manuver descriptions, aresti diagrams, calling cards each as a different report output from the same app.

    Your approach to annotate each manuver entry in the database with attributes is a good one.  I'd add a "type" attribute that may be thought of as a base class.  this would identify manuvers according to their basic types: loops, rolls, humpty, half squares, stall turns.  A manuver may have more than one base class.  This will improve the results by letting you define a rule to prevent too many humpty turn arounds in the same sequence, for example.

    Let the target total KF be an input so you can produce sequences for all levels

    This is a fun application of real work skills.
    --Lance

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Mark Atwood 
      To: NSRCA Mailing List 
      Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:35 PM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WC '07

      Verne,

      I often have staff that need a fake practice project to work on to learn a new technology or the like, and I was thinking that a random Unknowns generator would not be all that challenging and would provide the team some value.  I figure if I plan it now...might have a shot at having something useful for '09 and maybe even for this summer's Nats practice for Andy.

      Here's the thought...All the manuevers from the catalog get loaded into a database.  Each is assigned a number of attribute...  K-Factor, Center/endbox, Entry Altitude, Exit Altitude, Entry orientation, Exit Orientation, manuever class, etc etc etc.  Then it's simply a matter of writing a rules engine...given the Entry Altitude, current K-factor, etc, you query for a subset of maneuvers that meet the criteria, and select one randomly.  Of course there are additional checks...no more than X # of K-5s, etc....no more than 1 from a given class...etc.  But it's VERY VERY doable, and I think would make a great online Web app that I can host here at work.  People go to the web site...and BHAM...they print off a new unknown...or 20.  

      Interested???  I would need some help writing the specs....  And I may contact FAI to see if there's a soft copy of the manuevers so they can be imported.  Of course the follow up add on is something that auto generates the Aresti...

      Thoughts?

      On 11/21/07 6:04 PM, "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

        Geez, Mark, I'm all a' flutter....

        Truth is, I help Andrew because I enjoy it. I used to coach him a few years back, but now he coaches me. We did spend a fair amount of time getting ready but I enjoyed every minute of it. Andrew's a great kid from great parents (where the credit REALLY belongs). What's not to like? 

        Thanks,
        Verne

        ----- Original Message ----- 

          From:  Mark  Atwood <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>  

          To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

          Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:06  PM

          Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WC  '07

          While I want to congratulate Quique, Jason and Andrew  over and over and over again...I feel remiss that there's been little mention  of their callers.  I don't know who called for Quique or Jason, But I  know the Verne Koester was Andrew's caller and he put in such an incredible  amount of time helping him prepare that it seems negligent not to include him  in the hoopla.   

          I knew Verne would be the first to defer  all of the glory for Andrew, but for those that know how hard these two have  worked for this opportunity.... Twice daily practice routine, Verne creating  new Unknowns every day, hours and hours of critique, all in a very selfless  effort to take a gifted set of thumbs to the next level...well, you have to  step back and give a few claps for Verne as well.

          I'm extremely proud  of Andrew...someone that I've had the privilege of helping through the pattern  ranks.  But I also have huge respect and congrats to Verne for the effort  he made (along with a myriad of other supporters) to help him get there.  

          I KNOW that Jason and Quique have their own "Verne" to thank and I  hope someone jumps on here and lets us all know who they are, so that we can  show them equal appreciation for their efforts.

          -Mark

          On  11/19/07 1:19 PM, "Earl Haury" <ejhaury at comcast.net>  wrote:

            Made it home from  Argentina this morning, a bit tired from a long drive yesterday, a long wait  at the airport, and a long nite on the airplane. The WC was completely worth  the effort. The posts so far do not begin to describe the huge amount of  work, the superb flying, and awesome accomplishment of Team  USA!

            The Team spent huge amounts of time at the practice field flying  in conditions (wind, sun, dark, cold) most wouldn't even try. Each flight  was generally critiqued by a number of Team members & supporters as  these guys worked together to eliminate every possible flaw. There was total  focus and commitment within and for the Team. Team Manager Al Glenn took  care of administrative details - including leaving the hotel around 5:00am  to ensure transmitters were impounded on time, handling "information just in  time" logistics and essentially doing everything but sleeping. (Don't give  him too much grief when the photos of him sleeping at the banquet  publish.)

            The conditions during the prelims were extremely difficult. Cross  winds in or out each day that approached 30mph at times. It was amazing how  many "unknown" folks flew exceptionally well and that all of the "know"  folks flew even better. Not only were these guys flying in strong wind - but  it was usually quite cold in the morning sessions as well. The semi's and  finals were also windy - but not as bad and it got warmer, downright hot for  the finals. 

            Bad luck and a  great performance by BPLR prevented Team USA from winning the Team  Championship - BPLR flew one flight during the only calm period (maybe half  an hour) of the prelims and did a very good job of capitalizing upon the  opportunity. Jason was up next - but a delay to allow for an airliner  departure was long enough for the wind to return before Jason flew. This was  enough to swing the advantage to the French and give them a well fought win  - Team USA can be proud of second, it was a hard fought battle with great  flying on each side, with the Japanese team always in the  mix.

            All of the flying in the finals was exceptional. Quique was  consistently solid, Jason likewise (and winning his first WC round), and  Andrew flying superbly. In hindsight - it may be that the "in-close" style  Andrew flew to good advantage in the prelims / semi's that may not have  scored as well in the finals without the strong crosswind. 

            There were a  lot of electrics (mostly Hacker) as well as glow (mostly YS) and neither had  an advantage / disadvantage in the strong winds. Either propulsion is  totally viable, Sebastiano even flew a Hacker with contra-rotating props in  the finals - good power and excellent braking.

            The highlight  of the experience occurred while standing next to Quique when he was  announced as the winner (he didn't know he'd won). I'll remember his emotion  forever - he really wanted this! 

            So - second WC  Team placing is good, every Team member making the Finals is outstanding,  everyone in the top 8 is exceptional, and a USA Team member winning the  World Championship is more than great! The accomplishments of 2007 Team USA  are HUGE!! Congratulations to Quique, Jason, and Andrew - we couldn't be  more proud or appreciative of your accomplishments!!  Thanks to the  callers who worked as hard as the pilots, the TM's that handled logistics,  and everyone who contribute to an exceptional performance by Team  USA.

            Earl

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