[NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the times.

JShulman jshulman at cfl.rr.com
Mon Aug 27 19:26:29 AKDT 2007 

Has anyone else thought that pattern is just really boring? Lets face it, if
you don't enjoy precision flying, there isn't much that can be done to spice
it up. It's still the same sequences being flown flight after flight.

As for the scoring real-time... the only one's that it would matter to would
be the one's participating in the contest. Not necessarily just the one's in
the class, but the one's that stay the extra day to watch. Until we throw in
some sort of freestyle or combat, it's just pattern. Who would watch figure
skating without music?
Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Lance Van
Nostrand
  Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:17 PM
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  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Are we behind the times?


  I'm willing to try things that would make pattern more spectator friendly.
I think the reason the lone spectator talking during a flight has such an
effect is because its a lone person and talking loud enough that judges can
hear is rare.  If it became common place we would soon tune it out and
spectators would be better able to follow the contest.

  Your points are excellent.  In my area we don't require judges to initial
their scoresheets.  I don'tunderstand this and I always initial mine, but I
also sometimes put downgrade shorthand next to my scores for pilots that
enjoy knowing why they got a certain score.  The occasions that pilots have
approached me afterwards were supportive and spiritbuilding.

  --Lance

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Woodward, Jim
    To: NSRCA Mailing List
    Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:08 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Are we behind the times?


    I heard a story from this years nats where one of the Advanced
competitors that was in contention flew a less-than-perfect maneuver, and
another pilot who was also in contention (and watching) yelled out an
inappropriate remark.  I think that audience input or influence is something
we should steer away from for precision aerobatics.  We certainly do not
need it to be quiet like for golf, but direct statements meant to be heard
by the judges are not good.


    Although slightly off topic – what I do think we should do is post all
raw scores every flight for every pilot (I think this is done for the WC).
I think this would provide the following opportunities:

      1.. The availability of the raw scores would in itself represent and
INCREDIBLE judges training tool.  Seasoned and new competitor alike could
watch flights together, make comments and discuss, then go back later and
see if what they thought they saw was in line with the scores for that
flight.  There is all kinds of opportunity here to facilitate judging
training (.. ideas welcome).
      2.. Posting of raw scores would allow “judges” to after-the-fact see
how they performed compared to their judging partners.  There is all kinds
of good value that could come from this.  Whether noted privately or
discussed between each other, it is good from time to time to check
yourself.
      3.. Posting of raw scores would help keep the honest man honest.  By
posting raw scores, I think there would be a reduction of bias any way you
cut it:  Santa-Clausing, Low-balling, “teams”, regionality, or other bias’
would be removed/reduced if the person knew ahead of time that the judges
scores would be posted.
      4.. And most importantly, increased “transparency” in the system helps
the seasoned and new comer alike understand the process of the contest,
scoring, and “how” the 1000, 900, or 800’s came to be.  I believe that no
matter whom you are, you want to leave a contest and feel like you (&
everyone) was dealt a fair hand.  Transparency is the key to this.
      5.. OK – last one – it takes “scoring” which is a topic of much
discussion during and after a pattern contest in case you haven’t heard,
away from a shadowy discussion, and brings to the open this topic which
everyone is already discussing.  This would do a lot to remove ammunition
from the conspiracy theorist and such whom all of our districts have.
Transparency is good J

    I write none of this from the sour-grapes perspective.  I love this
stuff.  I think the potential benefits from posting the raws would out
weight the potential bad, provide more transparency for the competitor and
also provide judges training.


    Thanks,

    Jim W.




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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman
    Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:49 PM
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    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Are we behind the times?


    Probably the best reason not to have it...lol. It's bad enough when we
screw-up... I mean when a pilot screws-up and you hear all the
OOOooooohhhhhhhhhhhh's from the crowd. Now just imagine the uproar when
someone gets judged for a maneuver that they are doing all wrong! Total
Chaos!


    Regards,
    Jason
    www.jasonshulman.com
    www.shulmanaviation.com
    www.composite-arf.com

      On Behalf Of Derek Koopowitz

      can you just imagine all the "oohhhss and aahhhs" from the spectators.
:)



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