[NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]

[seefo at san.rr.com]

Not to mention it gives you a better appreciation for how easy the top 
guys make it all look!

-Doug


----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Atwood <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:08 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]
To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

> Agree COMPLETELY on the Masters ­ F3A bit...  Would love to have 
> more people
> try it.  They¹d find at the local level it¹s a lot of fun.  Plus 
> they get to
> judge all of their former Masters peers...although in our district 
> that¹s a
> discouragement.  Getting stuck judging 18 masters pilots EVERY 
> round, verses
> judging 3 FAI  for one round.  It¹s starting to balance, but not 
> withoutsome pushing.
> 
> 
> On 8/23/07 5:33 PM, "John Gayer" <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > The option system I proposed addresses this. The only 
> requirement when you
> > point out is that you try the next class. This could be for a 
> year, two
> > contests, whatever we decide to propose. If it's too 
> intense/difficult/time> consuming  in the next class, drop back. I 
> find it unlikely that this would be
> > abused and peer pressure should take care of any that are purely 
> camped for
> > trophies.
> > I see absolutely no reason not to include Masters in this 
> advancement/option> scheme. Come on guys, try F3A, you might 
> actually like it.
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > Mark Atwood wrote:
> >>  
> >> I think this really only speaks to not being forced to move up. 
> Period.
> >> Del is making the point that it has to stay "fun" for more than 
> just the top
> >> guys.
> >> 
> >> We have a number in our district that have "Fun" being a casual
> >> competitor...I'll bet most districts do. They ALL fly masters.  
> Why?>> Because they can camp there.  They are serious enough, or 
> have time enough,
> >> or talent enough to have fun at that level.  Most can win a 
> round here and
> >> there, some win regularly, some don't , all have fun.
> >> 
> >> The problem is that we don't have the same group for Advanced.  
> Those that
> >> have a little less time, a little less talent, etc.  They have 
> fun until
> >> they point out...and then someone pushes them to Masters where 
> they really
> >> don't belong and they quit.  Can't move back, and don't have 
> fun bringing up
> >> the bottom ALWAYS in masters.
> >> 
> >> Same is true of Intemediate. There are those that would stay 
> there happily
> >> until pattern retirement.  They'd win some, lose some, watch 
> others pass
> >> them by, but at no time are they comfortable flying advanced.  
> Etc etc etc.
> >> 
> >> We've beat this to death.  Unfortunately someone out there is 
> scared of the
> >> almight "Sandbagger" that's going to suck up allll the valuable 
> hardware in
> >> a lower class because they suck to much to beat them.  THAT 
> person is the
> >> one we should not be catering too...
> >> 
> >> -Mark
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 8/23/07 4:23 PM, "seefo at san.rr.com" <mailto:seefo at san.rr.com>
> >> <seefo at san.rr.com> <mailto:seefo at san.rr.com>  wrote:
> >> 
> >>   
> >>  
> >>>  
> >>> What exactly is a casual competitor?
> >>> 
> >>> I'm being serious here. Someone who doesn't put in the time 
> necessary>>> to be at their best cannot expect to win contests, 
> and you certainly
> >>> cannot change the sport so these people CAN win. Most of us 
> have other
> >>> things to do that take up our time. That's life. I can't 
> practice every
> >>> day, but at the same time, I don't expect Quique, Andrew, or 
> Jason, or
> >>> anyone else to make concessions to me because they can and do 
> put in
> >>> the time.
> >>> 
> >>> A person who cannot devote the time necessary to be at the top 
> of their
> >>> game, should have enough character and intelligence to accept that
> >>> fact. At that point they have 3 choices.
> >>> 
> >>> 1) Compete and HAVE FUN at the level they can currently.
> >>> 2) Devote more time and energy to the competition and get better.
> >>> 3) Move on to something else.
> >>> 
> >>> People need to remember that competition is, and SHOULD BE 
> unforgiving>>> of excuses.
> >>> 
> >>> -Doug 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
> >>> <mailto:drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
> >>> Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:38 pm
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]
> >>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>> 
> >>>     
> >>>  
> >>>>  
> >>>> These are all great but, I see nothing changing to stop driving
> >>>> away the casual competitor. If the organization and sport 
> wants to
> >>>> truly grow that area is long overdue. We need their numbers and
> >>>> help at fielding contests.
> >>>> 
> >>>>    Del 
> >>>>       
> >>>>  
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