[NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]
Robert L. Beaubien
rob at koolsoft.com
Thu Aug 23 04:42:06 AKDT 2007
Richard / John, See my comments inline.
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> Gotta say though, I'm just not a fan of a national database for
> recording Pattern results. I don't really understand what problem this
> is intended to fix.
If I read what John proposed correctly, this is to give additional value
and incentive to being a NSRCA member. Being able to participate in a
nationwide ranking system is appealing to me.
> Of course, I'm in the apparent minority that believes that our current
> self-policing system of advancement points is fine, ESPECIALLY now
> that points only count for four years. ...
I agree with you. I think peer pressure to keep people from Sandbagging
is the best medicine and forced promotions is not needed.
> 2. I don't know that I'd be really interested in seeing my 'national
> ranking' -- I've found out enough at the Nats the past several
> years... and 37/44 in Masters tells me enough about where I stand... !
I know I would be interested in my "national" rank as I try to progress
through the classes.
> and one more thing - do we have any volunteers for setting up and
> adminstering this national system? That's not a trivial question or
> issue, especially in a world where (at least some) NSRCA officers are
> in their positions not because they sought the job in order to be in
> charge of stuff, but because there was a necessary job to be done, and
> no one else was willing to step up to do it... I do the Champs
> standings for my District and mostly enjoy it, but it IS a manual
> process. Understand about hooks to automated scoring systems like
> PACSS, but it'll still take initial work and sustainment and then
> fixes to keep it going at the national level... and there are still
> places around the country that still do contest scoring manually...
I would be interested in volunteering my services towards this endeavor.
What would be needed would be a standardized scoring program used by all
CD's that has upload capabilities to a server, and a website to present
the information to the members. As a software developer, it is a
project I would like to participate in if it were to see the light of
day. I would also be willing to donate the bandwidth and servers
necessary to make this happen.
> Agree about helping Sportsman and maybe Intermediates be mentored at
> contests- we usually don't have a formal system for that, and more
> would certainly be better.
This already happens to a great extent in D7. When I showed up at a
pattern contest, Troy Newman took it upon himself to mentor me and I
feel very lucky to have his experience to guide me. A formal
rule/suggestion/whatever towards this end is certainly not a bad thing.
Also am in violent agreement about the need to grow Pattern at the
grass-roots level one new guy at a time - and most of us need to plow
that field more thoroughly too.
Good stuff - keep it coming!
- Robert Beaubien
- AMA #618061
- NSRCA #4121
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Gayer
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:12 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]
>
>
> I'd like to present three proposals that might appeal to a few if not
the
> many....
> Modified from the original proposal . Apparently not many saw it. The
first
> one has been added
> Comments?
> John
> NSRCA 632
>
> Revive the practice of assigning mentors to Sportsman and Intermediate
> flyers
>
> At contests, assign an experienced competitor to mentor, call and
advise the
> Sportsman/ Intermediate flyers. This is nothing new, but should be a
part of
> every contest. We should try to provide a connection that will last
past the
> contest.
> As I see it, there are four issues that drasticaly affect the ability
of
> these flyers to compete effectively: aircraft trimming, execessive
throws,
> wings level and centering(also known as flying the airplane, not
letting the
> airplane fly you).
> These flyers have shown the initiative to come out and compete. We owe
them
> (and ourselves) all the help we can throw at them.
>
>
> Create a National Database for Pattern
>
> The database must contain the raw scores of all flights for all
competitors
> by class. The only thing normalized scores are good for is finding the
right
> finish order for each class at a contest. Raw scores are much better
for
> comparing results even at a contest. For example I finish round one
with a
> 930 and round two with a 985, both to competitor A. Now did I fly a
lot
> better in round two(I thought I did) or did competitor A flop a stall
turn
> in the figure M in round 2.
> Anyway once you have the raw scores by competitor and class, you can
do the
> following:
>
> Create a National Ranking for each class based on average points per
> maneuver. Once this is in place and on line, we will have a reason for
> pattern competitors to join NSRCA. you can't tell me that there
wouldn't be
> a lot of interest in seeing who is hot around the country and how you
stack
> up against the competition. I know, the judging isn't always equal but
> that's always been true and we have to live with it.
> The data available on each competitor would include contests entered,
> placing, advance points earned. The districts could extract whatever
data is
> required to ascertain the district champions. We could archive
previous
> years as well.
> Other ways to specify advancement in class become available,
percentage of
> average FAI score, even eventually moving the 10 top-rated pilots up a
> class. Possibilities are endless when you have the data.
> Since the database would only be open to NSRCA members, if you want to
track
> your National standing, joining NSRCA would be a must. If you want to
see
> what the guy nobody heard of that just rolled in from out of district
has
> accomplished, look him up. We've been looking for reasons to join
NSRCA, I
> feel this is one that could be big and would be worth some investment
in
> time and money. I would be willing to help with such a project
although I
> don't feel like I could take it on by myself.
>
> Redirect the focus to our international team competition through
> modification of the advancement system
>
>
> Modify the advancement process to be consistent through all classes
from
> Sportsman through to F3A. See section two for possible advancement
criteria
> Advancement can be forced by the advancement criteria(see section 2)
or
> voluntary.
> The first year in a new and higher class is an option year. At the end
of
> the option year you can downselect one class for any reason. This has
the
> advantage of being able to try out the higher class for a year without
> committing your entire pattern career. If you discover that the next
class
> is beyond your means( time, money or talent) then you option down the
> following year. If you absolutely refuse to fly your new class, then
perhaps
> you could use the time and money to reintroduce your self to your
wife,
> girlfriend, etc. If you need a goal for the year, focus on making your
> rudder commands instinctive, learn to fly a helicopter, learn to fly
rolling
> circles. You would probably come back a better pattern flyer than when
you
> left.
>
>
>
>
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