[NSRCA-discussion] Fact............

[Lance Van Nostrand]

Gene,
We used to roll forward the totals but my data was only those points 
accumulated at the contests in our district.  I didn't have a good way of 
including points achieved in another district.  Still this provided pretty 
good guidance and the problems that it uncovered corrected themselves.  When 
the 4 year window came in we simplified to showing just the current year 
because I hadn't been keeping totals by year up to that point and could not 
know how many points to "roll off".  We could begin keeping a rolling 
horizon but in our district we no longer have the sandbagging problems of 
the past.  However, I always reserve the right to reinstate more rigorous 
record keeping because the success we have now didn't come for free.  Our 
records were, at one time, a bit controversial.  Let's always remember that 
there are no problems because of the system we have not despite it.
--Lance

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Maurice" <gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fact............


> George,
>
> I do believe that the AMA points represented in the spread sheet are for 
> the
> current year only. For this to be accurate you would need to know the 
> prior
> 4 years data for every competitor.
>
> Jerry,
>
> Same question; does your data go back 4 years and does it include all
> contests a competitor may have attended, i.e. out of district, NATS, etc.?
>
> The converse is that "a particular does not make it universal". I still
> contend that for any statistically based system to work there must be a
> central point that can collect and analyze the data with assurance that it
> is receiving all of the required input. Any gap in the data collection 
> makes
> the statistics unreliable. GI-GO
>
> As has been stated by many, the point system has been made moot because 
> the
> vast majority move up BEFORE they point out.
>
> The POINT I was trying to make about the POINT system is that it's
> POINTless.
>
> Gene Maurice
> gene.mauirce at sgmservice.com
> Plano, Texas
> AMA 3408 NSRCA 877
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> glmiller3 at suddenlink.net
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:38 PM
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> Cc: Jerry Stebbins
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fact............
>
> Gene,
>
> If you check the District 6 website and look at the District championship
> standings, the spreadsheet includes District Point and AMA point totals 
> for
> all participants.
>
> George
>
> ---- Jerry Stebbins <JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Gene, I respectfully disagree. We keep a running count from all contests
> in
>> our District, and anyone can check and see where they are. Old rule" you
>> cannot make a universal out of a particular"
>> Jerry
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gene Maurice" <gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:56 PM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fact............
>>
>>
>> > No one collects, maintains, manages, administers, accumulates, records,
>> > summarizes, folds, spindles, or mutilates points! PERIOD! The rule, as
>> > stated in the AMA Rulebook, is not only unenforced, it's
> unenforceable!!!
>> >
>> > At the end of a contest CD's send data to the AMA. These forms include
>> > data
>> > about the contestants including the results of the contest. As of 
>> > today,
>
>> > the
>> > AMA does nothing to accumulate that data, per Lisa Johnson,
> Administrative
>> > Assistant in the AMA Competition Department. No one in the world can
> tell
>> > you how many points you have.
>> >
>> > The whole system, as it stands today, is an honor system. It is the
>> > competitor's sole responsibility to know how many points he has.
>> >
>> > This in itself seems to be a strong argument for abolishing the rule.
>> >
>> > BTW, IMHO, any other scenario that utilizes the accumulation of
> statistics
>> > to determine advancement is equally unenforceable.
>> >
>> > Just a thought........................
>> >
>> > Gene Maurice
>> > gene.mauirce at sgmservice.com
>> > Plano, Texas
>> > AMA 3408 NSRCA 877
>> >
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