[NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?

Wed Aug 15 17:17:56 AKDT 2007

Fred,
The person who made the comment about not moving up until winning the Nats 
was Arch Stafford. He's a very nice guy, and according to the Nats finish 
this year, he's probably the second-best Masters pilot in the nation. He 
wants to be the best before he moves up to F3A, it's a personal goal he has 
set and well within the bounds of the rules. Having met Arch, and knowing 
what a decent guy he is, I frankly take offense at you blatantly calling him 
out as a sandbagger. I don't know one person who flys Masters in D6 who 
would call him that, and those are the people he competes with on a regular 
basis... There is currently no relevant points accumulation in Masters other 
than for district championships as it is the highest level of AMA Pattern. I 
completely agree with the point someone else made that stated we should not 
force someone to a level of competition that is out of the control of the 
AMA Competition Regs. If I were ever in a situation that forced me to move 
into F3A competition, I'd probably stop flying pattern. Full turnaround 
patterns was a hard enough pill to swallow. F3A has too many maneuvers that, 
while very beautiful when performed well, I don't personally consider to be 
precision aerobatics. Snaps and spins are enough of a stretch.

Matt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Huber" <fhhuber at clearwire.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?

> No sour grapes here about not being able to win...  I don't ever expect to
> accumulate the points needed to force advancement from Sportsman.  The
> hand-eye coordination just isn't there.
>
> The only way I'll take 3rd place in Sportsman is if there's only 2 others
> flying.  I'm just in Pattern for the flight discipline... and to be around
> people who can help me quit breaking airplanes.
>
> I will probably move to Intermediate next year.. becaue I have learned
> almost as much as I can from the Sportman sequence.... I'll place DEAD 
> LAST
> FOREVER.  I'll fly at the NATS in about 3 or 4 years too.
>
> I do see the hypocracy of people complaining about not being competitive 
> if
> they move up... and sitting firmly in the lower class for years so they 
> can
> always win...
>
> "I won't move up until I WIN the NATS" is why they came up with the point
> system to force people to move up... sandbagger.  (not even bothering to
> look up who made the referenced post...)
>
> The only way I'll take 3rd place in Sportsman is if there's only 2 others
> flying.
>
> I take offense at rules that are unfair.
>
> I take offense at people who revise the rules to suit thier personal
> agendas.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <seefo at san.rr.com>
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>
>
>>I know Glen.
>>
>> My question was more rhetorical than anything else, and I really just
>> put it out there to try to clarify the issue. There seems to be a
>> division amongst people who want Masters to be that stepping stone
>> class verses those who want Masters to be a destination all by itself
>> (which it currently is).
>>
>> I do think the idea of a progression rule whereby a pilot who does not
>> meet a given criteria has the option of moving down. I personally like
>> the 'qualification' bar idea. For example, a pilot moves up to Masters
>> from Advanced. In their 1st contest, if they are unable to achieve an
>> AVERAGE normalized score of at least 800, they are given the option of
>> moving back to Advanced. The 800 number is arbitrary and used for
>> example only.
>>
>> I guess my biggest problem with these threads, is they give me a big
>> sense of sour grapes from people as I read them talk continually about
>> not being able to win. Last I checked this was competition, and if you
>> want to win, you perfect your own flying until you can do it better
>> than everyone else. You don't tell the guy beating you to go play
>> somewhere else so you can feel good about yourself.
>>
>> Of course I could be completely wrong. It wouldn't be the 1st time.
>> (just ask my wife)
>>
>> -Doug
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Glen Watson <gwatson11 at houston.rr.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:24 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?
>> To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>>> There is no mandatory advancement from Masters...
>>>
>>> The following was copied from the current AMA rulebook...
>>>
>>> 8.2.5. There is no mandatory advancement into FAI from the Masters
>>> class.Contestants may enter their current AMA class or the FAI
>>> class at any
>>> contest but not both.
>>>
>>> ~Glen
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> seefo at san.rr.com
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>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me the real question that must be answered (yet again)
>> is:
>>>
>>> Is Masters a destination class or not?
>>>
>>> -Doug
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