[NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?
Tim Taylor
timsautopro at yahoo.com
Wed Aug 15 14:41:26 AKDT 2007
Arch
I doubt very seriously you put forth less effort to fly masters as well as you do compaired to most any top 30 FAI flier. Guys fighting for a national championship at any level put forth a massive amount of time, money and effort. This is but one of the reasons I no longer aspire to win a national championship, maybe one day I'll once again get that bug but for now, BTDT got the trophy. If it wasn't for a young kid named Shulman I'd have placed one spot higher too. :)
rcpattern at stx.rr.com wrote:
John,
The two classes are not related. FAI is a whole different ballgame.
The level of commitment to get competitive there is far and away
beyond the other classes. FAI would be an example of racing dirt cars
and going to NASCAR. Same concepts, but a lot more effort is
involved. I just do not see guys that I've flown against complaining
about it. Have you ever flown masters? If not, how do you know how
you'd do? Until you actually fly the sequences against guys, you never
know. You might surprise yourself. I have flown FAI, and I know
where I can stack up. The FAI is also run in itself. Masters is
setup by the AMA. Have you seen the new FAI schedules? 09 and 11 are
going to require totally different designs. Some of the new designs
that are showing up now will fly them, but you arent going to take a 5
year old plane that was designed in 02 and fly F-09 with it
competitively. You can fly a couple of years ago design in Masters,
but if you are flying FAI, you'd be bett
er be buying the latest and greatest.
Arch
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gayer
Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?
To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Why does this apply to every class except Masters??
> Aren't there better flyers available to learn from in FAI? :)
> John
>
> Ken Thompson wrote:
>
> >Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!!!
> >
> >You will only get better if you do one of two things,
> >
> >1. Fly against people that are better than you, obviously paying
> attention
> >to their flights.
> >
> >2. Have a pilot that is better than you willing to coach you.
> >
> >I've been blessed with having both...any contest I go to in D6
> will have
> >pilots that are better
> >than I am, and I have Archie as a coach to help me through the
> little
> >things.
> >
> >BTW: I fully expect to be flying Masters in 6 or 7 years. That
> will put me
> >at 54 or 55 years old when I make the move.
> >
> >Personally I have no desire to go to contests and come in 1st or
> 2nd on a
> >regular basis, AND stay in that
> >class...it simply won't make me a better pilot. My goal is to
> get better
> >every year, with hard work and patience,
> >it will happen.
> >
> >Ken
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From:
> >To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:55 PM
> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I take exception to this. FAI and Masters are not related. I have
> >>been flying masters several years, finishing as high as second this
> >>year at the NATS. Yes, I'm coming back next year in Masters. I
> have>>a goal of winning the nats before I move up. I can be
> realistic...at>>some point with enough practice I might be able to
> crack the finals in
> >>FAI at the NATS, but I'm smart enough to know that realistically
> >>winning FAI isnt going to happen. I would also argue that the guys
> >>that have been flying masters for years, just raise the bar. I
know
> >>in different areas I've flown around the country, these are the
guys
> >>that make guys fly better. Show up in District 6 sometime, and fly
> >>Masters...you'll definitely get better. 6 of the top 10 at the
NATS
> >>were D6. The means, guy that finished in the top 10 at the NATS in
> >>what is probably top to bottom the most competitive class have
> trouble>>getting wood at a local contest. I can promise you
> though, the guys
> >>that fly here have greatly
> >>improved their flying than they would have in other parts of the
> >>country. Glen has set the bar here for a while, and I know the
> other>>guys are pushing to catch him, and if you look now at local
> contest>>scores, it is getting closer. At any given time down
> here in D6, I'd
> >>say 6 or 7 guys can take a round in masters. Now that makes it
> fun. I
> >>know when I was flying in D4 last year. Every contest I went
> to, was
> >>Verne K, and Steve Miller....I knew I'd better put up great flights
> >>every flight and this makes you a better pilot. I think you should
> >>try moving up...take a year of the low 900's, and then see where
you
> >>are the following year. I bet you start moving up and before
> you know
> >>it you would be right there in the mix. This is a competitive
> >>activity and the only way you improve is flying against people
> who are
> >>better than you.
> >>
> >>Arch
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: John Gayer
> >>Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:41 pm
> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class
selection?
> >>To: NSRCA Mailing List
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Ron,
> >>>I take exception to those rules. There should be only one
> >>>destination
> >>>class. Why shouldn't there be a mandatory move from Masters to
> >>>F3A? They
> >>>are just two patterns with a natural progression as there is
> >>>between
> >>>Advanced and Masters.
> >>>Parking and sandbagging is a mental state, not a rules violation.
> >>>john
> >>>
> >>>Ron Van Putte wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The Master class is the top AMA class and there is no mandatory
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>move
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>from the Master class to F3A, so how can there be "parkers" or
> >>>>"sandbaggers"?
> >>>>
> >>>>Ron Van Putte
> >>>>
> >>>>On Aug 15, 2007, at 2:10 PM, John Gayer wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>how about changing the AMA advancemant rule and keep it very
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>simple?>> Your first contest of the year will determine your class
> >>>for the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>year. You may go up one class at any time during the year but
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>may not
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>go back down during the year. At the start of the next year you
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>may
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>drop back one class at your option, stay where you are or go up
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>a class.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>This is simple enough that your fellow competitiors will know
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>if you
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>are following the rules. It will also be up to your fellow
> >>>>>competitiors to insure that you are not sandbagging.
> >>>>>I also feel strongly that sandbagging in Masters should not be
> >>>>>allowed. If you disregard Sportsman, then half of the classes
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>allow
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>parking. Obviously, F3A has to be a parking lot but I see no
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>reason
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>to allow this behavior in Masters. As a competant advanced
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>pilot of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>somewhat advanced years, I have very little interest in moving
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Masters in order to spend the rest of my pattern years trying
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>break 900 against the parkers.
> >>>>>I fail to see the logic in having two destination classes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>Shouldn't
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>we all aspire to progress to FAI? The current Masters schedule
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>is
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>designed as a stepping stone to Masters. Let's use it that way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>John Gayer
> >>>>>NSRCA 632
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>BUDDYonRC at aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>There was a proposal on the last rules cycle that would allow
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>person to move up and test his ability then move back if he
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>had not
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>attained the skills required for the higher class. I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>personally
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>think it is a good idea and I also see no need for the point
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>system
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>like someone said if someone abuses the privilege we can
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>solicit
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>Earl and four other guys his size to take him behind the barn
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>splain to him why he will be moving up. I believe peer
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>pressure is
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>all the control we need.
> >>>>>>I think this is worth a try.
> >>>>>>For those who have the ability and desire to achieve a spot at
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>top I don't see that we have a problem.
> >>>>>>Buddy
> >>>>>>
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