<div>Arch</div> <div> </div> <div>I doubt very seriously you put forth less effort to fly masters as well as you do compaired to most any top 30 FAI flier. Guys fighting for a national championship at any level put forth a massive amount of time, money and effort. This is but one of the reasons I no longer aspire to win a national championship, maybe one day I'll once again get that bug but for now, BTDT got the trophy. If it wasn't for a young kid named Shulman I'd have placed one spot higher too. :)<BR><BR><B><I>rcpattern@stx.rr.com</I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">John,<BR><BR>The two classes are not related. FAI is a whole different ballgame. <BR>The level of commitment to get competitive there is far and away <BR>beyond the other classes. FAI would be an example of racing dirt cars <BR>and going to NASCAR. Same concepts, but a lot more effort
is <BR>involved. I just do not see guys that I've flown against complaining <BR>about it. Have you ever flown masters? If not, how do you know how <BR>you'd do? Until you actually fly the sequences against guys, you never <BR>know. You might surprise yourself. I have flown FAI, and I know <BR>where I can stack up. The FAI is also run in itself. Masters is <BR>setup by the AMA. Have you seen the new FAI schedules? 09 and 11 are <BR>going to require totally different designs. Some of the new designs <BR>that are showing up now will fly them, but you arent going to take a 5 <BR>year old plane that was designed in 02 and fly F-09 with it <BR>competitively. You can fly a couple of years ago design in Masters, <BR>but if you are flying FAI, you'd be bett<BR>er be buying the latest and greatest. <BR><BR>Arch<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: John Gayer <JGGHOME@COMCAST.NET><BR>Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:50 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More
flexibility in class selection?<BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR><BR>> Why does this apply to every class except Masters??<BR>> Aren't there better flyers available to learn from in FAI? :)<BR>> John<BR>> <BR>> Ken Thompson wrote:<BR>> <BR>> >Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!!!<BR>> ><BR>> >You will only get better if you do one of two things,<BR>> ><BR>> >1. Fly against people that are better than you, obviously paying <BR>> attention <BR>> >to their flights.<BR>> ><BR>> >2. Have a pilot that is better than you willing to coach you.<BR>> ><BR>> >I've been blessed with having both...any contest I go to in D6 <BR>> will have <BR>> >pilots that are better<BR>> >than I am, and I have Archie as a coach to help me through the <BR>> little <BR>> >things.<BR>> ><BR>> >BTW: I fully expect to be flying Masters in 6 or 7 years. That
<BR>> will put me <BR>> >at 54 or 55 years old when I make the move.<BR>> ><BR>> >Personally I have no desire to go to contests and come in 1st or <BR>> 2nd on a <BR>> >regular basis, AND stay in that<BR>> >class...it simply won't make me a better pilot. My goal is to <BR>> get better <BR>> >every year, with hard work and patience,<BR>> >it will happen.<BR>> ><BR>> >Ken<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >From: <RCPATTERN@STX.RR.COM><BR>> >To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> >Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:55 PM<BR>> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > <BR>> ><BR>> >>I take exception to this. FAI and Masters are not related. I have<BR>> >>been flying masters several years, finishing as high as second this<BR>>
>>year at the NATS. Yes, I'm coming back next year in Masters. I <BR>> have>>a goal of winning the nats before I move up. I can be <BR>> realistic...at>>some point with enough practice I might be able to <BR>> crack the finals in<BR>> >>FAI at the NATS, but I'm smart enough to know that realistically<BR>> >>winning FAI isnt going to happen. I would also argue that the guys<BR>> >>that have been flying masters for years, just raise the bar. I <BR>know<BR>> >>in different areas I've flown around the country, these are the <BR>guys<BR>> >>that make guys fly better. Show up in District 6 sometime, and fly<BR>> >>Masters...you'll definitely get better. 6 of the top 10 at the <BR>NATS<BR>> >>were D6. The means, guy that finished in the top 10 at the NATS in<BR>> >>what is probably top to bottom the most competitive class have <BR>> trouble>>getting wood at a local contest.
I can promise you <BR>> though, the guys<BR>> >>that fly here have greatly<BR>> >>improved their flying than they would have in other parts of the<BR>> >>country. Glen has set the bar here for a while, and I know the <BR>> other>>guys are pushing to catch him, and if you look now at local <BR>> contest>>scores, it is getting closer. At any given time down <BR>> here in D6, I'd<BR>> >>say 6 or 7 guys can take a round in masters. Now that makes it <BR>> fun. I<BR>> >>know when I was flying in D4 last year. Every contest I went <BR>> to, was<BR>> >>Verne K, and Steve Miller....I knew I'd better put up great flights<BR>> >>every flight and this makes you a better pilot. I think you should<BR>> >>try moving up...take a year of the low 900's, and then see where <BR>you<BR>> >>are the following year. I bet you start moving up and before <BR>> you know<BR>>
>>it you would be right there in the mix. This is a competitive<BR>> >>activity and the only way you improve is flying against people <BR>> who are<BR>> >>better than you.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Arch<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >>----- Original Message -----<BR>> >>From: John Gayer <JGGHOME@COMCAST.NET><BR>> >>Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:41 pm<BR>> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class <BR>selection?<BR>> >>To: NSRCA Mailing List <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> >><BR>> >> <BR>> >><BR>> >>>Ron,<BR>> >>>I take exception to those rules. There should be only one<BR>> >>>destination<BR>> >>>class. Why shouldn't there be a mandatory move from Masters to<BR>> >>>F3A? They<BR>> >>>are just two patterns with a natural progression as there is<BR>>
>>>between<BR>> >>>Advanced and Masters.<BR>> >>>Parking and sandbagging is a mental state, not a rules violation.<BR>> >>>john<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>Ron Van Putte wrote:<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>The Master class is the top AMA class and there is no mandatory<BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>move<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>from the Master class to F3A, so how can there be "parkers" or<BR>> >>>>"sandbaggers"?<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>>Ron Van Putte<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>>On Aug 15, 2007, at 2:10 PM, John Gayer wrote:<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>>>how about changing the AMA advancemant rule and keep it very<BR>> >>>>>
<BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>simple?>> Your first contest of the year will determine your class<BR>> >>>for the<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>year. You may go up one class at any time during the year but<BR>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>may not<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>go back down during the year. At the start of the next year you<BR>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>may<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>drop back one class at your option, stay where you are or go up<BR>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>a class.<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>This is simple enough that your fellow competitiors will know<BR>> >>>>> <BR>>
>>>>><BR>> >>>if you<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>are following the rules. It will also be up to your fellow<BR>> >>>>>competitiors to insure that you are not sandbagging.<BR>> >>>>>I also feel strongly that sandbagging in Masters should not be<BR>> >>>>>allowed. If you disregard Sportsman, then half of the classes<BR>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>allow<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>parking. Obviously, F3A has to be a parking lot but I see no<BR>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>reason<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>to allow this behavior in Masters. As a competant advanced<BR>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>pilot of<BR>> >>>
<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>somewhat advanced years, I have very little interest in moving<BR>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>to<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>Masters in order to spend the rest of my pattern years trying<BR>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>to<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>break 900 against the parkers.<BR>> >>>>>I fail to see the logic in having two destination classes.<BR>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>Shouldn't<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>we all aspire to progress to FAI? The current Masters schedule<BR>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>is<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>designed as
a stepping stone to Masters. Let's use it that way.<BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>>>John Gayer<BR>> >>>>>NSRCA 632<BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>>>BUDDYonRC@aol.com wrote:<BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>>>>There was a proposal on the last rules cycle that would allow<BR>> >>>>>> <BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>a<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>>person to move up and test his ability then move back if he<BR>> >>>>>> <BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>had not<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>>attained the skills required for the higher class. I<BR>> >>>>>> <BR>> >>>>>><BR>>
>>>personally<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>>think it is a good idea and I also see no need for the point<BR>> >>>>>> <BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>system<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>>like someone said if someone abuses the privilege we can<BR>> >>>>>> <BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>solicit<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>>Earl and four other guys his size to take him behind the barn<BR>> >>>>>> <BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>and<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>>splain to him why he will be moving up. I believe peer<BR>> >>>>>> <BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>pressure is<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>>
>>>>>>all the control we need.<BR>> >>>>>>I think this is worth a try.<BR>> >>>>>>For those who have the ability and desire to achieve a spot at<BR>> >>>>>> <BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>the<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>>top I don't see that we have a problem.<BR>> >>>>>>Buddy<BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> --<BR>> >>>>>> <BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>---------<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>>>Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com<BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>>>> <BR>> >>>>>><BR>>
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