[NSRCA-discussion] Points system

Tue Aug 14 11:13:08 AKDT 2007

Maybe start with 200 points then deduct 1 point for every person you beat no
matter where you placed? When you reach Zero you move up. This way a guy
that doesn't fly often can stay in a class for years. Even those who fly at
the Nats should be able to stay in a class 3 years. Maybe not count the Nats
at all?

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Points system

The first description is exactly the way it used to be when I started flying
Pattern 40 years (!!!) ago.  As I remember, a pilot earned 5 points for 1st,
3 points for 2nd and 1 point for 3rd, regardless of how many entrants there
were. I remember getting 4th place in an Atlanta contest with 23 entrants
and didn't earn any advancement points.  It was changed to the way we do it
now after we realized how unreasonable it was.

Ron Van Putte

On Aug 14, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Bob Richards wrote:

If a person finished 1st or 2nd at every contest, and there were only 3
people in the class, there is not as much of a need for this person to
advance. OTOH, if this person consistently finished 1st out of 20, I'd say
it is time for this person to move up. Isn't that the way the point system
is structured now?

Bob R.

Ken Thompson <mrandmrst at comcast.net> wrote:

Point system or not, if someone is finishing in the top 1 or 2 at every
local event, it's time to move up.  And like you said, the heckling would be
unbearable ;-)

Ken

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From: Mark <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>  Atwood 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:13 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Points system

You must have missed my earlier post...copied here...

Why do we have one? (point system)

Not to play devils advocate but do we really have that many people trying to
"cheat" to take home an extra plaque?  Yeah, some people hang around a class
a little longer than others, but I don't ever recall someone staying beyond
the point where peer pressure failed, and we had to rely on an un-enforced
point system to get the job done.

I mean lets face it...if there's a guy just tearing up the advanced
circuit...winning everything in his path, A) he's going to get pretty bored
with that at some point B) he's going to get heckled to DEATH at some point
from the Master's guys calling him chicken since he's clearly afraid to
compete against kids his own size :)  and C) and this is a big "C"...  Who
cares??  If I'm flying Advanced against him and continually having my A$$
handed to me...then apparently there's room for my flying to improve.  I can
choose to improve it staying in Advanced until either the aforementioned
sandbagger moves up and I can claim victory with my inferior flying against
now inferior competition, OR I can choose to bypass all together and move to
Masters and get a new challenge having never won the pinnacle of the
previous class, but feeling confident in my own abilities.

MORE importantly...if I fly for fun?  Which I really think about 50% of the
flyers in pattern do, then I can hang at whatever level challenges me,
provides me with the best "reward" level for my time and investment, and
maximize my "fun".  

I think the "point" system should be little more than a guideline for the
avid competitor who's goal is to move through the classes, gain proficiency,
and who's target is winning in FAI.  It's a guideline to know when it's
maybe time to move up, to prevent moving too early, and yet stay on a good
course for becoming the best.

For the rest, I think it's a non issue.

I'm an avid golfer...I suck, but I'm avid.  My handicap says I should be
playing from the blue tees on most courses...  But on a given day, I'd much
rather go out and shoot an 82 from the whites, than post an 86 from the
Blues.  Just my preference...it's more fun.    

My .02

-Mark

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On 8/14/07 11:16 AM, "twtaylor" <twtaylor at ftc-i.net> wrote:

Just to break this issue out to a thread of it's own. Maybe we can keep this
one on topic.

Any ideas on a better system?

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