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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Maybe start with 200 points then deduct 1
point for every person you beat no matter where you placed? When you reach Zero
you move up. This way a guy that doesn’t fly often can stay in a class for
years. Even those who fly at the Nats should be able to stay in a class 3
years. Maybe not count the Nats at all?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ron Van Putte<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 14, 2007
3:04 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Points system</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The first description is exactly the way it used to be when I started
flying Pattern 40 years (!!!) ago. As I remember, a pilot earned 5
points for 1st, 3 points for 2nd and 1 point for 3rd, regardless of how many
entrants there were. I remember getting 4th place in an <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Atlanta</st1:place></st1:City> contest with 23 entrants and didn't
earn any advancement points. It was changed to the way we do it now after
we realized how unreasonable it was.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Aug 14, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Bob Richards wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If a person finished 1st or 2nd at every contest, and there were only 3
people in the class, there is not as much of a need for this person to advance.
OTOH, if this person consistently finished 1st out of 20, I'd say it is time
for this person to move up. Isn't that the way the point system is structured
now?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Ken Thompson <<a
href="mailto:mrandmrst@comcast.net">mrandmrst@comcast.net</a>></span></i></b>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Point system or not, if someone is finishing in the
top 1 or 2 at every local event, it's time to move up. And like
you said, the heckling would be unbearable ;-)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" title="atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">Mark
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday, August
14, 2007 11:13 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[NSRCA-discussion] Points system<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>You must have missed my earlier post...copied here...<br>
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Why do we have one? (point system)<br>
<br>
Not to play devils advocate but do we really have that many people trying to
“cheat” to take home an extra plaque? Yeah, some people hang around a
class a little longer than others, but I don’t ever recall someone staying
beyond the point where peer pressure failed, and we had to rely on an
un-enforced point system to get the job done.<br>
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I mean lets face it...if there’s a guy just tearing up the advanced
circuit...winning everything in his path, A) he’s going to get pretty bored
with that at some point B) he’s going to get heckled to DEATH at some point
from the Master’s guys calling him chicken since he’s clearly afraid to compete
against kids his own size :) and C) and this is a big “C”... Who
cares?? If I’m flying Advanced against him and continually having my A$$
handed to me...then apparently there’s room for my flying to improve. I
can choose to improve it staying in Advanced until either the aforementioned
sandbagger moves up and I can claim victory with my inferior flying against now
inferior competition, OR I can choose to bypass all together and move to
Masters and get a new challenge having never won the pinnacle of the previous
class, but feeling confident in my own abilities.<br>
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MORE importantly...if I fly for fun? Which I really think about 50% of
the flyers in pattern do, then I can hang at whatever level challenges me,
provides me with the best “reward” level for my time and investment, and
maximize my “fun”. <br>
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I think the “point” system should be little more than a guideline for the avid
competitor who’s goal is to move through the classes, gain proficiency, and
who’s target is winning in FAI. It’s a guideline to know when it’s maybe
time to move up, to prevent moving too early, and yet stay on a good course for
becoming the best.<br>
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For the rest, I think it’s a non issue.<br>
<br>
I’m an avid golfer...I suck, but I’m avid. My handicap says I should be
playing from the blue tees on most courses... But on a given day, I’d
much rather go out and shoot an 82 from the whites, than post an 86 from the
Blues. Just my preference...it’s more fun. <br>
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My .02<br>
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-Mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On 8/14/07 11:16 AM, "twtaylor" <<a
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Any ideas on a better system?</span></font><font size=1 face=Verdana><span
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