[NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Mon Apr 30 16:51:28 AKDT 2007

Another question. Was the Nats EVER profitable in the past(post Navy era)?

If it wasn't maybe it should have been fixed a long time ago and there wouldn't be this discussion. If it was profitable, I wouldn't mind seeing what the net gain or loss over the years has been.

Yet another question. Are other special events/competitions outside of the Nats at Muncie assessed some sort of users fee to offset operational costs(if any)?

FYI. I'm for adding Sportsman next year, provided there is a minimum of 10 entrants. If not, refund or give those who entered the option to fly Intermediate. Sounds fair to me. Obviously, this year is a little too late.

From: jlachow at hotmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:50:11 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

To add to this. We need hard numbers. How many entrants does it take on a given day or event for the AMA to break even on cost. Just maybe some events don't pay their fair share as compared to others. 

From: jlachow at hotmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:40:58 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Well if the Nats are in the red then there is a need to increase the number of attendees and/or increase the entry fee not the number of days. Wasn't this years entry fee increased?<g> Maybe all the SIGS need to encourage more of their people to attend or lose it. There was a time when pattern had over 150 plus attendees. There are some events that only have a handful of people involved. Maybe some of those small events need to be discontinued as part of the Nats. Tony, how much is in the red anyway? hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of dollars?

From: tony at radiosouthrc.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:09:32 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Ok.. .you asked for a need… here it is..

The Executive Council is always pressed by sport fliers as to why funds should be spent on less than 1% of the membership to allow for a site for a Nats, as well as the staff support and equipment support required to run these events.  The Nats takes up 6 weeks of prime flying time for Muncie.  Other groups would like to use that time for events as well.  The Nats operates in the red every year.  

So, if we reduced the number of days required to have a Nats, that would reduce costs as well.  How do we reduce the number of days required to run the pattern Nats?  Do we just increase the entry fee to take care of all of the costs so the sport fliers can then be told that the competition pilots “pay their own way”?  Do we (the EC) just ignore them and hope they go away?

I am a BIG fan of competition and the Nats.  However, I can tell all of you that many on the EC don’t give a rat’s behind about competition or the Nats.  I am trying to represent competition and how important it has been in the past and will be in the future.  

So, how does NSRCA handle it if we get cut to a 2-day even for the Pattern Nats?

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mike HesterSent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:37 PMTo: NSRCA Mailing ListSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

ok, then one more:

if it ain't broke, why fix it? Is there some underlying problem that we aren't aware of? I'm just not seeing the need I guess. if it were a vote, I'd definitely vote NOT to have to qualify for the Nats. 

-Mike

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony Stillman 

To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' 

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

John:I realize that this is a different approach and that there are lots of opinions.  That is all I am asking for…

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John FerrellSent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:32 AMTo: NSRCA Mailing ListSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Flame suit on, cannons loaded and ready...

If you really want a good answer, ask the guys who are competing at Muncie this year.

If you want to justify a position already decided, survey the population that will give you the answer you want!

No offense intended.

Why would you want to curtail the most successful segment of the Nats? Without the Nats, there is little point in maintaining Muncie. 

(BTW, considering the source, I think you are shopping for ammunition rather than an argument!)

John Ferrell    W8CCW"Life is easier if you learn to plow        around the stumps"http://DixieNC.US

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony Stillman 

To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' 

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:40 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Buddy:As I said at the beginning of this discussion thread, I am involved with a total NATS review.  We are talking about all of the NATS, nothing is too sacred to be up for discussion.

One question I always had is why it the NATS an open event?  Most all sports NATIONAL championships require you to qualify.  With so many people complaining that the AMA NATS is 6-weeks long, this was brought up as a way to shorten the event.  It also would elevate the status of the NATS.  I don’t see how this would reduce participation at the local level.  It may actually increase it!

Keep in mind that this is just DISCUSSION!!!  Don’t get all bent out of shape because we are talking about it.

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of BUDDYonRC at aol.comSent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:56 PMTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

I have a question

Why all of a sudden are you talking about special requirements needed for 

Nat's entry.

My take on this, is if this is done we will reduce participation. I may be wrong but if I am not how is this going to help pattern and the NSRCA?

I think it will be the first step toward a further reduction in membership and a step toward an all professional Nat's 

Second question

Tony are you pushing this idea for real?  

Buddy 

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