[NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction

Sat Apr 7 17:50:06 AKDT 2007

Ya I think Keith is on the right track. lol

Matt
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Black" <tkeithblack at gmail.com>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction

> Paul, it sounds like you speak from experience.
>
> Keith B.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Horan" <paul.horan at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>
>
>> Lance,
>>     This is not a problem since Sportsman fliers some times change 
>> landing
>> direction and land vertically rather than horicontally.
>> Paul
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude at tx.rr.com>
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>>
>>
>> >I haven't seen the problem in contests I've been to.  Generally the CD
> will
>> > declare takeoff direction is pilots option, if the winds are
>> > light/variable
>> > and the field and contest can tolerate it.  Otherwise a direction of
>> > takeoff
>> > is stated and followed.  This can happen on a calm day if the CD 
>> > prefers
>> > the
>> > uniformity of it.  The only time the proposed scenario would occur is 
>> > if
>> > the
>> > permission is there to fly either direction, which is not that often.
> If
>> > it
>> > is in place, then someone could possibly change landing direction
>> > unecessarily, but since most contests have a defined manuver direction
> and
>> > there is no requirement to let someone land downwind, any pilot 
>> > planning
>> > on
>> > this game will find themselves burned over time.  On the other hand, if
>> > this
>> > helps a sportsman enjoy his day (and many sportsman are not traveling
>> > competitors) then is this really a problem?
>> >
>> > --Lance
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Jerry Stebbins" <JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net>
>> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:19 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>> >
>> >
>> >> Mark, interesting, and very astute observation. Now you do not need to
>> >> guess
>> >> why it was initiated!!! The reasons/rationale stated were only
> developed
>> >> to
>> >> sell it. Same thing happened once before--"no scores for Takeoff and
>> >> Landings".It now has gone full circle and the purported rationale has
>> >> finally been overcome by common sense and "facts".
>> >> Jerry
>> >> Jerry
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>> >> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:47 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>I think my only annoyance with all of this is number of times I have
>> >>>watched
>> >>> pilots purposely take off down wind in a "mild" wind because it
> allowed
>> >>> them
>> >>> to fly their preferred direction only to cry "SAFETY" when the wind
>> >>> picked
>> >>> up and suddenly their choice of direction isn't so desirable.
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't think anyone questions a major wind shift during a flight
> should
>> >>> be
>> >>> allowed some variance in making a landing.  But let's face it...those
>> >>> times
>> >>> are few and far between. The real issue is the quartering cross wind
>> >>> that's
>> >>> shifting slightly from upwind to downwind, where the pilot picks his
>> >>> preference for take off and his pattern, rather than thinking about
> the
>> >>> landing.
>> >>>
>> >>> -M
>> >>>
>> >>> On 4/6/07 2:39 PM, "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> As a pilot I always feel the ultimate decision rests with the pilot.
> I
>> >>>> would ask permission to land the opposite way but if not given and
> felt
>> >>>> it
>> >>>> was a safety issue to land downwind I would take the zero and land
> the
>> >>>> reverse direction. Smarter to be safe and go home with an intact
>> >>>> airplane
>> >>>> then to land and force a mishap. Having said that, it also forces
>> >>>> greater
>> >>>> responsibility on the pilot to make sure he isn't conflicting with
>> >>>> opposing
>> >>>> traffic if he so chooses to land into the wind and causes a mishap 
>> >>>> by
>> >>>> reversing direction. So the decision is not to be taken lightly.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>     Del
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: <randy9004 at comcast.net>
>> >>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:35 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Does the pilot/caller get to decide if the wind has changed
>> >>>>> directions?
>> >>>>> Does a judge need to agree?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Randy
>> >>>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> >>>>> From: "Don Ramsey" <donramsey at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> To those who read my March Kfactor article, I seem to have 
>> >>>>>> mistated
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> intent
>> >>>>>> of the new landing direction rule.  After re-reading the intent of
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> rule, it
>> >>>>>> seems the rule was put in to allow a change of landing direction
> only
>> >>>>>> for
>> >>>>>> a wind
>> >>>>>> change.  This is implied in the new rule.  The landing direction
>> >>>>>> should
>> >>>>>> always
>> >>>>>> be in the direciton of takeoff unless the wind changes to a
> direction
>> >>>>>> that would
>> >>>>>> cause a downwind landing.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks to all who brought this to my attention.
>> >>>>>> Don
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
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