[NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things up. Where's thebeef?

[Rcmaster199 at aol.com]

Then it seems that IF we hold a separate TS tourney,  expenditure for judges 
(per diem and travel) would come out of the WC Team funds!? If that's true, 
then continuing to hold combined Nats and TS for F3A is the right thing to do.


In a message dated 9/28/2006 4:59:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
ehaury at houston.rr.com writes:
Oops!  "That's it - everything else comes out of the Team members pockets" in 
my earlier post isn't correct  - funds also come from the Team Manager's Fund 
(to which a good number of supporters contribute significantly) and the Team 
Members. I'm sure all the Teams truly appreciate the donations that make their 
participation possible.

Earl
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Matt

The TS is funded by the program receipts - program entry and TS entry fees. 
In years of large participation there was an overage (profit) and those funds 
were deposited in the Team Fund, which is held by AMA and dispersed by the TS 
Chair for WC expenses (donations to this fund are tax deductible). The Team 
Manager is responsible for another, different, fund - the Team Managers fund for 
which he (and possible a Campaign Manager) collect donations for extra WC 
costs (vehicles, extra practice days, etc.) - expenditures from both funds are 
audited by AMA from the TM's accounting after the WC. Team Fund money (assuming 
there is any)  may be used for the TS - but that's less for the Team. So - 
there is no TS budgeted AMA money for the Nats. 

The AMA budgets money specifically for the Teams (not selection) in an amount 
to cover entry / lodging / food / banquet for each team member & manager at 
the WC. Additionally, AMA deposits $400 into the Team Fund for each official 
Team Member. There are roughly 18 FAI teams and 120 members funded on a two year 
WC rotation - or roughly $50K for the Team Funds and roughly another $50K for 
WC costs. F3A is a small Team - 4 people are funded by AMA  - so roughly 
$3200 for an adventure that costs closer to $30K.  That's it - everything else 
comes out of the Team members pockets.

There is an official AMA document entitled "Procedures Governing the 
Academy's Sponsorship of FAI Teams" revised November 2005. This document describes all 
the details and responsibilities folks involved with WC / TS activities. 
There's now a point system based upon performance in WC and participation in TS 
that requires 50 points needed for full funding (25 points gets half, miss this 
for 2 cycles and no support). This document is available from Lisa Johnson at 
AMA HQ.

Earl

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From: rcmaster199 at aol.com 
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Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 3:11 PM
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thebeef?


Earl, Bob,

TS is an AMA responsibility meaning it would cost the AMA some budgeted sum 
to support the activity. I've asked this question on the list and of Dave Brown 
and have not gotten satisfactory answers either way. 

What happened to that budgeted amount of money? 

A case could and should be made that since we are combining the TS and the 
Nats lately, the money that would have gone to support a separate TS tournament, 
should be made available to our F3A Team for expenses. They (AMA) definitely 
don't see it that way and prefer to default the funds back into the FAI fund 
in general, supporting the whole group of teams. To me, that's not good enough.

What do you think?

Matt
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