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<DIV>Then it seems that IF we hold a separate TS tourney, expenditure for judges (per diem and travel) would come out of the WC Team funds!? If that's true, then continuing to hold combined Nats and TS for F3A is the right thing to do.</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 9/28/2006 4:59:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, ehaury@houston.rr.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oops! "That's it - everything else comes out of the Team members pockets" in my earlier post isn't correct - funds also come from the Team Manager's Fund (to which a good number of supporters contribute significantly) and the Team Members. I'm sure all the Teams truly appreciate the donations that make their participation possible.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com href="mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com">Earl Haury</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 28, 2006 3:43 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things up. Where's thebeef?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The TS is funded by the program receipts - program entry and TS entry fees. In years of large participation there was an overage (profit) and those funds were deposited in the Team Fund, which is held by AMA and dispersed by the TS Chair for WC expenses (donations to this fund are tax deductible). The Team Manager is responsible for another, different, fund - the Team Managers fund for which he (and possible a Campaign Manager) collect donations for extra WC costs (vehicles, extra practice days, etc.) - expenditures from both funds are audited by AMA from the TM's accounting after the WC. Team Fund money (assuming there is any) may be used for the TS - but that's less for the Team. So - there is no TS budgeted AMA money for the Nats. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The AMA budgets money specifically for the Teams (not selection) in an amount to cover entry / lodging / food / banquet for each team member & manager at the WC. Additionally, AMA deposits $400 into the Team Fund for each official Team Member. There are roughly 18 FAI teams and 120 members funded on a two year WC rotation - or roughly $50K for the Team Funds and roughly another $50K for WC costs. F3A is a small Team - 4 people are funded by AMA - so roughly $3200 for an adventure that costs closer to $30K. That's it - everything else comes out of the Team members pockets.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is an official AMA document entitled "Procedures Governing the Academy's Sponsorship of FAI Teams" revised November 2005. This document describes all the details and responsibilities folks involved with WC / TS activities. There's now a point system based upon performance in WC and participation in TS that requires 50 points needed for full funding (25 points gets half, miss this for 2 cycles and no support). This document is available from Lisa Johnson at AMA HQ.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com">rcmaster199@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 28, 2006 3:11 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things up. Where's thebeef?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Earl, Bob,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>TS is an AMA responsibility meaning it would cost the AMA some budgeted sum to support the activity. I've asked this question on the list and of Dave Brown and have not gotten satisfactory answers either way. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>What happened to that budgeted amount of money? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>A case could and should be made that since we are combining the TS and the Nats lately, the money that would have gone to support a separate TS tournament, should be made available to our F3A Team for expenses. They (AMA) definitely don't see it that way and prefer to default the funds back into the FAI fund in general, supporting the whole group of teams. To me, that's not good enough.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>What do you think?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Matt</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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