[NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things up.Where'sthebeef?

Thu Sep 28 10:25:21 AKDT 2006

So true, Great information.

Jerry Gallagher

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of george w.
kennie
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things
up.Where'sthebeef?

<<<<Has anyone got any stats on the effectivity of the pattern primers?
I know of some new guys who've come into it this way.>>>> 

Just by way of encouragement to those who may feel some degree of
frustration at their lack of results in trying to entice the local genre
to give pattern a try. In my local area, there are several clubs that I
hold memberships in and these people have watched me fly sequence upon
sequence for about the last eight years.Some of these individuals
display some degree of interest/desire while others view my efforts with
outright disdain.
My feeling is that there is not a heck of a lot you can do on and
individual basis to induce someone to apply themselves to the pursuit of
our passion.There has to already be some competitive/challenge aspect to
their basic personality that makes them want to conquer the unknown
difficulty eating away at the root of their psyche and if it just
happens to be pattern that fires up their competitive drive at that
particular time we may have discovered a possible conscription.
For all the years that I have been exposing the locals to our particular
art-form the peanut gallery has not contained the enlightened/gifted
someone 'til the last year or so. About a year ago one of the local
sport flyers who I had not previously known stepped forth and informed
me that his hero was none other than CPLR, and one day his intent was to
replace Christophe on the World Podium. Well I did everything I could to
encourage him to realize his dream and this year I prodded him into
attending a local primer (which he felt was a long way to travel) in
which he finished 1st in Sportsman.
Now let me tell you that this individual is by no means an accomplished
pattern flyer, but the result of this simple achievement produced a
knee-jerk reaction in his local club, as there were other individuals
who, feeling that they were certainly every bit the flyer as he, decided
that they could duplicate his performance. 
By the next contest, we had two new participants and lately there has
been another individual expressing a serious interest in joining the
ranks. And we have noticed a couple of more guys paying close attention
to the goings on.
The important thing to remember here is that these results don't stem
from anything that I did, but what a beginner has been able to
accomplish with minimal determination. An example set by an individual
who is regarded as an equal is far more effective than some fantastic
demo put on by someone who is viewed by the audience as occupying an
unattainable status. 
Just wanted us to know that I feel quite thrilled about these gratifying
results. Thanks for listening.
G.  

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From: White, Chris <mailto:chris at ssd.fsi.com>  
To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things up.
Where'sthebeef?

Good discussion and no doubt that If I were going to fly a contest with
Jason or someone of that caliber.I'd be there and would promote it
heavily.  I can sure sympathize with their contest demands though.. 

Not meaning to change the subject, assuming it is still growing
pattern..  Has anyone got any stats on the effectivity of the pattern
primers?   I know of some new guys who've come into it this way.  

Chris

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mike
Hester
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things up. Where's
thebeef?

I like the idea of "qualifying" by flying at least 3 contests prior to
the team trials. Didn't we used to do this? However, as has been stated,
there are other factors.

Somebody mentioned Jason, he is an exception. But has been for years. he
not only competes locally, but is also active on the lists and forums,
very helpful, usually not arguementative, and you don't get the feeling
that his comments are tainted by sponsorship. Also, he's an absolute
riot to be around at contests. 

Now here's one huge problem, let's take right now for instance. Take any
local pattern contest, what's the prize for 1st place? Usually a piece
of wood and a "you da man!" What's the top prize for the Don Lowe
masters? A pretty good paycheck. So, other things may take priority.

Keep in mind these guys are playing a different game than most of us.
There's money involved, and they're playing for keeps. Anywhere there's
competition, there's going to be money involved. It's just a question of
degree.

On the sponsorship stickers....c'mon man, I had stickers on my plane
when I wasn't sponsored. I liked the idea of advertising and supporting
a company/product I really liked, or had treated me exceptionally well.
The only issue I've ever had with sponsorships is that in certain cases,
you have to make sure the sponsored person is telling you the WHOLE
truth, and giving the right advise to the right person. An FAI pilot
telling a sportsman guy how to equip and set up his plane is cool at
first glance, but if the sportsman guy flies the exact same set up at
the FAI guy, he may be in way over his head. The sequences require
different things. In FAI performance is the #1 consideration, in
sportsman reliability is much more important.

Just adding some stirring, this one ain't boiling yet =)

-Mike

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From: mike mueller <mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>  

To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:03 AM

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things up. Where's the
beef?

 I have an observation that I've made that disturbes me. I don't think
that we are getting enough of the top notch or team worthy flyers
participating on a local level. 

 I think that in the future the team trials need to be revamped so that
a flyer wanting to make the team would be required to fly in at least 3
to 5 local contests per year.

 Here's why I think this is important. We need the top names in our
sport to be part of the sport from a leadership standpoint. Imagine a QQ
showing up to fly against Andrew at a local contest. It would be much
more exciting to watch and it would therefore promote more interest. If
we continue on the path we are going interest in pattern will continue
to slide.

 In the 70's when the team selection was known as the Masters you had to
fly your way into the contest by accumulating points on the local level.
It was exciting. Were totally missing the boat with our present system.

 So here's the deal. Support the real pattern flyers who make the effort
to support us and we will all be better off. Oh and for what it's worth
I think we would be better off all around if we didn't allow any
stickers or blatant advertising of any products in our sport. Let's get
back to the flyers who do it on there own without all the sponsorships.

 All this is just what I've seen in the last 6 years of flying after a
15 year absence for the hobby.  TIA for letting me vent and as my budddy
Bobby Satalino would say "Have a nice day"!        Mike Mueller

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