[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question

Wed Oct 18 12:48:02 AKDT 2006

Hopefully that very inadequate judge applied the same reasoning to all of your competitors in that class so you were all equally treated.

                 Del 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob Richards 
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  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question

  I always assume it is flight path. However, I got nailed by a judge once, when flying in 20kt wind, that the model did not rotate exactly 180 degrees in a stall turn. That was the way the rule was written, "model" and not "path".

  Bob R.

  "White, Chris" <chris at ssd.fsi.com> wrote:
    If someone has already clarified, I've missed it, but..

    I thought it was to be assumed that "Flight Path" is ALWAYS the judging criteria (OK, except while the aircraft is auto-rotating in a spin..)..NOT model attitude.   (Gee, can you imagine how ugly the M would look in 20kt winds if NOT wind-corrected?)
    Chris White

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    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
    Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:39 PM
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    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question

    I have a real problem with the rules for downgrades listed. It does not allow for wind correction.

    "Model not vertical at start and finish of rolls and stall turns."
    Should that not be "path not vertical" instead??? 

    Bob R.

    Glen Watson <gwatson11 at houston.rr.com> wrote:
      Below is the Figure M description from page 79-80 of the current AMA rule
      book...Note the statement regarding rolls and stall turn direction are
      pilot's option...I then found this statement "Edit page 79-80 Figure M with
      ¼ or ½ rolls" to include ¾ roll options" on the NSRCA page under:
      http://nsrca.org/competition/judging/Patterns2007

      Figure M with 1/4 or 1/2 Rolls: Model pulls up into one-quarter (1/4) loop
      to a vertical track, hesitates then performs prescribed roll, hesitates then
      executes a stall turn through 180 degrees, hesitates, performs
      prescribed roll, hesitates then executes one-half (1/2) outside loop to
      vertical track, hesitates, performs prescribed roll, hesitates, executes a
      stall turn through 180 degrees, hesitates, performs prescribed roll,
      hesitates then recovers with another one-quarter (1/4) loop to level flight.
      Direction of rolls and stall turns are pilot's option. The length of the
      vertical segments is not a judging criteria. 

      Downgrades:
      1. Model not vertical at start and finish of rolls
      and stall turns.
      2. Stall turns not exactly 180 degrees.
      3. Model does not execute prescribed rolls.
      4. Rolls not centered in vertical lines.
      5. Bottom of outside half loop not at same altitude
      as entry and exit.

      Regards,

      Glen

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      [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Budd
      Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:20 AM
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      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question

      Hi Jim,

      Unless the maneuver has changed from 15 years ago all the rolls have 
      to be in the same direction, resulting in one stall turn being 
      canopy-facing you and the other being belly-facing you (your choice 
      as to which comes first). It's a tough maneuver, especially when the 
      wind is blowing other than down the runway.

      Jerry

      >Bob
      > My memory crutch is,when flying from left to right, the 1st 2 roll
      >directions are left-left and 2nd 2 roll directions are right-right.
      >When flying from the right to left,the 1st 2 roll directions are
      right-right
      >and 2nd 2 roll directions are left-left.
      >Like Arch said the center half loop is inverted in both cases.
      >Lotsa a upside down.
      >
      >Jim Ivey
      >
      >----- Original Message -----
      >From: "Archie Stafford" 
      >To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" 
      >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:11 AM
      >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question
      >
      >
      >> Bob,
      >>
      >> It has to be inverted. The direction of roll must be the same on every
      >3/4
      >> roll therefore you end up inverted across the middle.
      >>
      >> Arch
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
      >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane
      >> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:53 AM
      >> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
      >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question
      >>
      >> OK, I'm finally try to fly this thing with a pencil . . . . . . one
      >> question I have (so far) is the 1/2 loop between the two stall turns in
      >the
      >> figure M: Does it matter if it is an inside or outside half loop? The
      >> aresti diagram posted on Flying Giants shows it as an outside half loop
      >with
      >> no option. Thanks.
      >>
      >> Bob Kane
      >> getterflash at yahoo.com
      >>
      >>
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