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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hopefully that very inadequate judge applied the
same reasoning to all of your competitors in that class so you were all equally
treated.</FONT></DIV>
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Del <BR> nsrca -
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<A title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:40
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters
2007 Figure "M" question</DIV>
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<DIV>I always assume it is flight path. However, I got nailed by a judge once,
when flying in 20kt wind, that the model did not rotate exactly 180 degrees in
a stall turn. That was the way the rule was written, "model" and not
"path".</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob R.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>"White, Chris" <<A
href="mailto:chris@ssd.fsi.com">chris@ssd.fsi.com</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If someone has
already clarified, I’ve missed it, but….<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I thought it was to
be assumed that “Flight Path” is ALWAYS the judging criteria (OK, except
while the aircraft is auto-rotating in a spin….)….NOT model
attitude. (Gee, can you imagine how ugly the M would look in
20kt winds if NOT wind-corrected?)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chris
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bob Richards<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:39
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters
2007 Figure "M" question</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have a real problem with the rules for downgrades
listed. It does not allow for wind
correction.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"Model not vertical at start and finish of rolls and
stall turns."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Should that not be "path not vertical" instead???
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bob R.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Glen Watson
<gwatson11@houston.rr.com></SPAN></I></B>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Below is the Figure M description from page 79-80
of the current AMA rule<BR>book...Note the statement regarding rolls and
stall turn direction are<BR>pilot's option...I then found this statement
"Edit page 79-80 Figure M with<BR>¼ or ½ rolls" to include ¾ roll options"
on the NSRCA page
under:<BR>http://nsrca.org/competition/judging/Patterns2007<BR><BR>Figure
M with 1/4 or 1/2 Rolls: Model pulls up into one-quarter (1/4) loop<BR>to
a vertical track, hesitates then performs prescribed roll, hesitates
then<BR>executes a stall turn through 180 degrees, hesitates,
performs<BR>prescribed roll, hesitates then executes one-half (1/2)
outside loop to<BR>vertical track, hesitates, performs prescribed roll,
hesitates, executes a<BR>stall turn through 180 degrees, hesitates,
performs prescribed roll,<BR>hesitates then recovers with another
one-quarter (1/4) loop to level flight.<BR>Direction of rolls and stall
turns are pilot's option. The length of the<BR>vertical segments is not a
judging criteria. <BR><BR>Downgrades:<BR>1. Model not vertical at start
and finish of rolls<BR>and stall turns.<BR>2. Stall turns not exactly 180
degrees.<BR>3. Model does not execute prescribed rolls.<BR>4. Rolls not
centered in vertical lines.<BR>5. Bottom of outside half loop not at same
altitude<BR>as entry and
exit.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Glen<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Jerry Budd<BR>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:20 AM<BR>To:
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR><BR>Hi
Jim,<BR><BR>Unless the maneuver has changed from 15 years ago all the
rolls have <BR>to be in the same direction, resulting in one stall turn
being <BR>canopy-facing you and the other being belly-facing you (your
choice <BR>as to which comes first). It's a tough maneuver, especially
when the <BR>wind is blowing other than down the
runway.<BR><BR>Jerry<BR><BR><BR>>Bob<BR>> My memory crutch is,when
flying from left to right, the 1st 2 roll<BR>>directions are left-left
and 2nd 2 roll directions are right-right.<BR>>When flying from the
right to left,the 1st 2 roll directions are<BR>right-right<BR>>and 2nd
2 roll directions are left-left.<BR>>Like Arch said the center half
loop is inverted in both cases.<BR>>Lotsa a upside
down.<BR>><BR>>Jim Ivey<BR>><BR>>----- Original Message
-----<BR>>From: "Archie Stafford" <BR><RCPATTERN@STX.RR.COM>>To:
"'<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'"
<BR><NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006
11:11 AM<BR>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M"
question<BR>><BR>><BR>>> Bob,<BR>>><BR>>> It has
to be inverted. The direction of roll must be the same on
every<BR>>3/4<BR>>> roll therefore you end up inverted across the
middle.<BR>>><BR>>> Arch<BR>>><BR>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>> From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob
Kane<BR>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:53 AM<BR>>> To:
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR>>><BR>>> OK, I'm finally
try to fly this thing with a pencil . . . . . . one<BR>>> question I
have (so far) is the 1/2 loop between the two stall turns
in<BR>>the<BR>>> figure M: Does it matter if it is an inside or
outside half loop? The<BR>>> aresti diagram posted on Flying Giants
shows it as an outside half loop<BR>>with<BR>>> no option.
Thanks.<BR>>><BR>>> Bob Kane<BR>>>
getterflash@yahoo.com<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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