[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question

[jivey61 at bellsouth.net]

Bob
I'm with you,not trying to start something. This just needs to be hashed out before we stand in front of the judges. I have done the fig M all different ways also and they are good to watch when done right.The rules were just presented here and there is no mention of roll directions....so how much attention do we give the aresti figures.They defined that both verticals had the same roll directions..didn't say which way.

Jim Ivey 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob Richards 
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  Not to start anything here, but why is it better to present the canopy to the judges? How many points should that count for? If the rules say "pilot's option" then there can be no downgrade if presenting the bottom to the judges. Or maybe this falls under the S&G discussion.

  IMHO, the M w/ 3/4 is a beautiful manuever when done right, and I think it shows more skill to present the bottom on one of the stall turns. That is how I did it 13 years ago.

  Bob R.


  "george w. kennie" <geobet at gis.net> wrote:

    Jim,
    It certainly will work this way, but your original method will present 
    better. With the roll direction being pilots option your original 
    ll/rr-rr/ll is a much prettier maneuver. There's something to be said for 
    presenting the canopy to the judges on rolling maneuvers. I apply this 
    technique on all maneuvers with rolling elements unless the specified 
    requirement forces otherwise, like reverse K.E.'s. IMHO, you had it right 
    the first time!
    G.



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    > Bob
    > If I read the Aresti correct the rolls on both vertical lines are the same
    > direction.This makes it lt-lt and lt-lt coming from the left and rt-rt and
    > rt-rt coming from the right.Like Jerry said look at top of plane one time
    > and bottom of the plane next time.
    >
    > Jim Ivey
    > ----- Original Message ----- 
    > From: "Bob Kane" 
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    > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:01 PM
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    >
    >
    >> Wow, this is more complicated than I anticipated. Do you have to roll the
    > same way for each stall turn? Or can you reverse directions to show the
    > canopy during each stall?
    >>
    >> For example, flying left to right as shown on the aresti, pull 1/4 loop,
    > short line, roll 3/4 left (canopy toward flightline), short line, stall
    > toward the right, short line, roll 3/4 left, short line, push 1/2 outside
    > loop, short line, roll 3/4 right (canopy faces flight line), short line,
    > stall towerd the right, short line, 3/4 roll right, short line, pull 1/4
    > loop.
    >>
    >> Bob Kane
    >> getterflash at yahoo.com
    >>
    >>
    >> ----- Original Message ----
    >> From: "jivey61 at bellsouth.net" 
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    >> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:45:56 PM
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    >>
    >>
    >> Jerry
    >> I looked again at the aresti and I think you are right.The aresti shows
    >> both upline rolls in the same direction.That would let you see the top 
    >> one
    >> time and bottom the other time.
    >> My mistake Bob so much for crutches.
    >>
    >>
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