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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm with you,not trying to start something. This
just needs to be hashed out before we stand in front of the judges. I have done
the fig M all different ways also and they are good to watch when done right.The
rules were just presented here and there is no mention of
roll directions....so how much attention do we give the aresti
figures.They defined that both verticals had the same roll directions..didn't
say which way.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim Ivey</FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:27
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters
2007 Figure "M" question</DIV>
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<DIV>Not to start anything here, but why is it better to present the canopy to
the judges? How many points should that count for? If the rules say "pilot's
option" then there can be no downgrade if presenting the bottom to the judges.
Or maybe this falls under the S&G discussion.</DIV>
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<DIV>IMHO, the M w/ 3/4 is a beautiful manuever when done right, and I think
it shows more skill to present the bottom on one of the stall turns. That is
how I did it 13 years ago.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob R.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>"george w. kennie" <geobet@gis.net></I></B>
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certainly will work this way, but your original method will present
<BR>better. With the roll direction being pilots option your original
<BR>ll/rr-rr/ll is a much prettier maneuver. There's something to be said
for <BR>presenting the canopy to the judges on rolling maneuvers. I apply
this <BR>technique on all maneuvers with rolling elements unless the
specified <BR>requirement forces otherwise, like reverse K.E.'s. IMHO, you
had it right <BR>the first time!<BR>G.<BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message
----- <BR>From: <JIVEY61@BELLSOUTH.NET><BR>To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:17
PM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M"
question<BR><BR><BR>> Bob<BR>> If I read the Aresti correct the rolls
on both vertical lines are the same<BR>> direction.This makes it lt-lt
and lt-lt coming from the left and rt-rt and<BR>> rt-rt coming from the
right.Like Jerry said look at top of plane one time<BR>> and bottom of
the plane next time.<BR>><BR>> Jim Ivey<BR>> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> From: "Bob Kane" <GETTERFLASH@YAHOO.COM><BR>> To: "NSRCA
Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Sent: Tuesday,
October 17, 2006 1:01 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters
2007 Figure "M" question<BR>><BR>><BR>>> Wow, this is more
complicated than I anticipated. Do you have to roll the<BR>> same way for
each stall turn? Or can you reverse directions to show the<BR>> canopy
during each stall?<BR>>><BR>>> For example, flying left to right
as shown on the aresti, pull 1/4 loop,<BR>> short line, roll 3/4 left
(canopy toward flightline), short line, stall<BR>> toward the right,
short line, roll 3/4 left, short line, push 1/2 outside<BR>> loop, short
line, roll 3/4 right (canopy faces flight line), short line,<BR>> stall
towerd the right, short line, 3/4 roll right, short line, pull 1/4<BR>>
loop.<BR>>><BR>>> Bob Kane<BR>>>
getterflash@yahoo.com<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original
Message ----<BR>>> From: "jivey61@bellsouth.net"
<JIVEY61@BELLSOUTH.NET><BR>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17,
2006 12:45:56 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007
Figure "M" question<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Jerry<BR>>> I
looked again at the aresti and I think you are right.The aresti
shows<BR>>> both upline rolls in the same direction.That would let you
see the top <BR>>> one<BR>>> time and bottom the other
time.<BR>>> My mistake Bob so much for
crutches.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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