[NSRCA-discussion] Impression or precision judging?

[george w. kennie]

To force the hesitation, I make the local guys count, "one onethousand, two onethousand" at each point of hesitation. Keeps 'em honest.
G.



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: White, Chris 
  To: patternrules at earthlink.net ; NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Impression or precision judging?


  Hi Steve,

  I really like rolls ....and I would judge them as you do..missing a point would be disastrous to the overall maneuver score.  I think the point hesitation time has a lot to do with the appearance of smoothness.do you?

  Chris

   

   


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  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Steven Maxwell
  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:38 AM
  To: NSRCA Mailing List
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Impression or precision judging?

   

   Chris I have seen way to many flying point rolls that don't have much if any stops, if I don't see a stop it is a downgrade at best and I guess some would argue that it would be a zero but to me missing a stop in an 8 point roll would be 2 or 3 points 45 dgrees off. Sense I flew in the 80's I took great pride in my point rolls and I think it shows today, I have been told by many top pilots that my point rolls are as good as they have seen, and yes I do miss points also at times but there is no doubt that I stopped and that my points are at 45 degree to each other. To me this is precision but also has a smooth and graceful element to it.

  Steve Maxwell 

   

   

  Example 2:

  An example of impression that I can think of would be some of the point rolls that I used to see in the 70s.the ones that kind of slip & lock into each point (exaggerated lock in), but I could not score them better than points that merely stop where they are supposed to with minimum fanfare..could I? (In fact since one could argue that the roll rate changes to get that effect it could be downgraded more..)  But I like it, its an individual preference, but to the letter of the law its incorrect.

   

   

   

   

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: White, Chris 

    To: NSRCA Mailing List

    Sent: 10/3/2006 6:54:09 AM 

    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Impression or precision judging?

     

     

    Id love to hear some feedback to the following: (or maybe not, but it might help my understanding of what were trying to accomplish in our judging/flyingJ)

     

    Question:

    Isnt clinical precision flying the only way to attempt to remove impression judging?  Shouldnt the sequence itself if flown to precision be the art form?

     

    Example 1: 

    I saw one pilot fly the FAI sequence at our contest last June. To me his flying was clinically precise without any Style of his own.  I mean that very much as a compliment.  The roll rates and radiuses and speeds to me were very consistent.his timing and flight line control were very Clinically precise  It struck me at that if a computer GPS link could have been flown with an autopilot laying out the perfectly executed sequence he would have been close.  The nearly perfect geometry of the sequence spoke for itself.

     

    Example 2:

    An example of impression that I can think of would be some of the point rolls that I used to see in the 70s.the ones that kind of slip & lock into each point (exaggerated lock in), but I could not score them better than points that merely stop where they are supposed to with minimum fanfare..could I? (In fact since one could argue that the roll rate changes to get that effect it could be downgraded more..)  But I like it, its an individual preference, but to the letter of the law its incorrect.

     

    Maybe we should judge by technical merit and each judge give an overall Impression rating someplace on the scoresheet???

     

    (Wow I spent all this time trying to think of how to word this.Gee do I hit the send button.??????  I hope this strikes a positive chord somewhereokay my motive is to learn so Ill send it.)

    Chris White

     


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