[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8

Stuart Chale schale at optonline.net
Sun Nov 12 10:12:42 AKST 2006


I am pretty sure the maneuver is described as the first vertical being at
the end of the maneuver not at the center.  A push to an outside loop
followed by an inside loop with the last downward vertical at center with a
push to inverted straight and level flight.

 

Stuart

 

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Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 12:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8

 

Vicente is right on the mark guys. 

The first up-line is on the center line so the radius has to start before
center and it should follow that the first loop should be the inside,
otherwise the maneuver will cause a reverse in the sequence direction and
that shouldn't take place 'til after the 1/2 square with 2 of 2 up. To me,
seems pretty straight forward.  

 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: vicenterc at comcast.net 

To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:43 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8

 

I agree with Don.  The square 8 is a center maneuver, therefore the center,
entry and exit of the maneuver, must be in front of the judges so the
maneuver is balanced around the center.  This means that the entry point of
the straight line is 15 m before the center.  Likewise the exit point is 15
meters in the other side of the entry point after the center in order to
keep the figure balanced around the center.  

 

I am sure that we are going to have concern in other manuevers.  However,
center manuevers are balanced around the center of the box so it is easy
applying this rule to come to the right conclusion in regard the entry and
exit points.

 

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

 

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: <jivey61 at bellsouth.net> 

> All 
> If the maneuver starts at center,then we fly 2 of the same segments of the

> outside portion of the "8". The inverted horizontal portion just before
the 
> first vertical and the last inverted horizontal portion just before the 
> first vertical. Note below taken from NSRCA judging page....maneuver 
> properties:..begin and end with a straight line....... To me this says the

> maneuver starts at the entry line which is before the first vertical and 
> ends after the exit line just after the first vertical point. The maneuver

> is still centered equally on either side of center. 
> 
> Jim Ivey 
> 
> 
> 
> General Judging Guidelines 
> 
> Page maintained by Don Ramsey. Please email me wit! h any p roblems,
comments 
> or suggestions. 
> 
> "All centered maneuvers should have these properties unless otherwise 
> defined in the maneuver description or in that maneuver's downgrades.
Learn 
> these and you have an excellent start toward becoming a better judge. 
> Maneuver properties:" 
> 
> - Begin and end with a straight line - Rolls centered on lines 
> - Middle of the maneuver centered 
> on the judges - Roll rates the same 
> - Lines of equal length - Loops round 
> - Radiuses equal - Done within 175 meters 
> - Begin and end at the same altitude 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stuart Chale" 
> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:21 AM 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8 
> 
> > > " As for scoring, I'm not entirely sure it matters. 
> > Don" 
> > 
> > What Don said is probably true. Agreed there is a long inverted flight 
> > before the first push to vertical in the horizontal eight and after the 
> > humpty bump. If someone is weaving, or changing altitude during this 
> > portion, the judge is going to downgrade one of the two maneuvers. I 
> would 
> > think if there was a reasonable straight and level after the humpty then

> the 
> > rest is judged on the horizontal eight. Do we really have segments of 
> > flight that should not be judged or added to a downgrade for anything
but 
> > straight and level? 
> > 
> > Stuart Chale 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Don Ram!
sey 
> > (CoxNet) 
> > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:40 PM 
> > To: NSRCA Mailing List 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8 
> > 
> > Lance, 
> > 
> > I believe it starts at center. Straight line before center and start at 
> > center. The reason I say that is rule 14.1 which says "Each time the 
> model 
> > passes before the judges, a maneuver is executed, except after takeoff
and 
> > landing." Of course, some maneuvers start before center as the slow
roll, 
> > etc. As for scoring, I'm not entirely sure it matters. 
> > 
> > Don 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: 
> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" 
> > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:16 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8 
> &! gt; 
> > 
> > > Lance 
> > > You will have to have a entry line before the push to vertical past 
> > > center.This is where I think it starts... at the start of the entry 
> line. 
> > > 
> > > Jim Ivey 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Lance Van Nostrand" 
> > > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" 
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:51 PM 
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> OK,so where does the maneuver begin and end? At center, the radius 
> after 
> > >> center, at the first corner initiation? 
> > >> 
> > >> --Lance 
> > >> 
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >> From: 
! > &g t; >> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" 
> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 4:06 PM 
> > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> > Jason 
> > >> > The way we are flying the 8 is enter inverted and 1st loop
(outside) 
> to 
> > >> > the 
> > >> > right of center and next (inside) loop to the left of center.The 
> first 
> > >> > loop 
> > >> > is outside loop and 1st vertical segment starts past center.Of
course 
> > > swap 
> > >> > left and right for opposite flying direction. 
> > >> > 
> > >> > 
> > >> > Jim Ivey 
> > >> > 
> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >> > From: "JShulman" ! 
> > >> > To: "NSRCA" 
> > >> > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 4:08 PM 
> > >> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8 
> > >> > 
> > >> > 
> > >> >> Hi All, 
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> Does the Square horizontal 8 start at center or just past center? 
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> Regards, 
> > >> >> Jason 
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