[NSRCA-discussion] Some more lipo fire videos

[Michael Wickizer]

Earl:

Ahh yes, I remember it well, 12lbs of Red Dot and 5000 209's all stacked in 
the corner of the garage, and always at least two cases loaded.  Car trunk 
so full, if we got stopped today we would be arrested as terrorists.  Always 
kept a watch on the review mirror hoping nobody would rear-end me; we would 
have taken out a city block.

Mike


>From: "Earl Haury" <ehaury at houston.rr.com>
>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Some more lipo fire videos
>Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:32:30 -0500
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>All energy sources present a potential risk and must be handled 
>accordingly. The LiPo fire videos demonstrate the potential for this 
>source. Anyone have a video of a gallon of glow fuel or gasoline or Jet-A 
>being ignited - say by a 12v gel cell shorting against a can? I guarantee 
>it will be even more spectacular than the LiPo!
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>My point is that we tend to become complacent with things we are familiar 
>with. Gasoline is an extremely dangerous material - yet most of us are 
>comfortable in using it and often get by with potentially fatal practice. 
>Only the narrow flammability range of gasoline saves us. (And no - the 
>lubricant added for model engines doesn't make it more safe.)
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>How many have gallons of glow fuel stored in their home or garage? Not a 
>wise thing - but again we get complacent after a period of good luck. (Then 
>there were my trap shooting days when I bought gunpowder in multiple 12# 
>containers - guess where that was stored.)
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>The LiPo simply presents a new set of risks and failure modes. Overcharge 
>the things or short them (dents can do this internally) and things get 
>nasty. Care in handling / charging / using these things is mandatory - and 
>yet we all make mistakes. Shorting them will get your attention immediately 
>(extreme care is required when attaching leads). Crash damage has a high 
>likelihood of shorting them internally / externally - so extreme caution is 
>need here also (think gasoline dripping on sparking battery leads). The 
>overcharge issue can be a matter of carelessness or of charger failure. 
>Containment during charging is a really good idea, as well as a charge 
>system that prevents overvoltage in individual cells (sets).
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>I suspect that most charging errors occur with folks using a variety of 
>size packs. The other (well discussed) issue is charger mis-identification 
>of cell count due to trying to charge a charged pack. A little less risk if 
>pattern equipment only is used. (I choose to use separate chargers for the 
>large power batteries and the radio power battery to limit the error 
>factor.) The inclusion of cell "taps" for monitoring cell (set) voltage and 
>balancing also go a long way toward ensuring that a pack is healthy and 
>behaving normally during charge.
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>Bottom line - LiPo's present risk in the same range as other "fuels" - the 
>safety procedures are no more or less important - but they are different!
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>Earl
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Tommy Scarmardo
>   To: NSRCA Mailing List
>   Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:09 AM
>   Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Some more lipo fire videos
>
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>   I saw some pictures on a Japanese web site of an electric Impact which 
>caught on
>   fire and was completely destroyed while in the air flying presumably 
>from too much
>   load on the batteries or maybe a short. I wish I could read Japanese to 
>find out exactly
>   what happened.
>
>   tommy s
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>   Larry <ledunn at centurytel.net> wrote:
>     Maybe this is a good time to share these videos - if you haven't seen 
>them they are well worth watching. Look on the left side of the bottom of 
>the main page.
>
>     Lipos fires 1,2 & 3
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>     http://www.utahflyers.org/
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>     I have become a bit of a lipo safety nazi lately - ever since I had my 
>first lipo fire a couple of months ago.
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>     I have been using lipos since the early days. I'm a smart guy with a 
>background in electronics and all things electrical. I am known as 
>"Electric Larry" at our field. I teach other people how to do electrics and 
>what NOT to do. I'm the go-to guy in our club. In spite of all that - I had 
>a major lipo fire a couple of months ago that destroyed almost all my RC 
>gear and planes and came very close to burning down my house. It was 100% 
>my fault. I was doing too many things at once and had become 
>casual/careless in my care of lipos.  I had gone YEARS with no issues at 
>all and had gotten complacent.
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>     My equipment and charging routines are now 100% improved.
>
>     Be careful guys.
>
>     Larry
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