[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries

Thu Mar 30 10:42:03 AKST 2006

"It seems like we are being asked to test batteries for the manufacturers 
instead of them testing their products
under our conditions."

Pretty much that way with many modeling supplies - not just batteries. We 
probably should recognize that much of what we use in modeling is 
"manufactured" for different purposes and the manufacturer could care less 
about modeling needs. It's the entrepreneurial "marketer" that recognizes a 
modeling application and brings those products to us so that we can play. Of 
course - pattern is a diminutive subset of modeling.

These marketers base a lot of their judgment (and money) on manufacturers 
specs that are (sometimes loosely) applied to modeling. Part of the 
enjoyment of modeling is the innovative application of products and 
materials - sometimes this works and other times it doesn't. Many modelers 
are prolific at trying new stuff to gain an edge - others prefer the tried 
and proven, both types make modeling enjoyable and there's plenty of room 
for both.

The E stuff is on the "cutting edge" of pattern propulsion systems. Some 
will pay the price to be involved - others won't. The latter isn't 
disadvantaged into leaving pattern - just using tried and proven systems. I 
suppose the alternative is to let the manufacturer decide that their 
products are inappropriate for our use and development cost too high to meet 
our needs - so we can't have this stuff. I think that I prefer to make my 
own choices.

Earl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Chale" <schale at optonline.net>
To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries

> George has been quick with email responses and very courteous, but it
> doesn't seem like he has the answers either.  I can't find his original
> email but he was unable to say that there are people with over 100 cycles 
> on
> a pack.  He is convinced that their technology is better than TP but will
> that translate into a longer life span?  It seems like we are being asked 
> to
> test batteries for the manufacturers instead of them testing their 
> products
> under our conditions.
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Earl Haury
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:58 AM
> To: chad at f3acanada.org; NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>
> Chad
>
> Your questions are probably best answered by Falcon
> George at FalconBatteries.com . I think that you'll find George quite open 
> with
>
> info, and I'd like to see your assessment of his answers.
>
> Earl
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chad Northeast" <chadnortheast at shaw.ca>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>
>
>> Earl
>>
>> Does the Falcon warranty cover simply manufacturers defects...or will 
>> they
>
>> replace any abuse/over charged/overdischarge/cycled out pack?
>>
>> I can't honestly believe that a manufacturer will replace every pack that
>> fails, or they will be out of business in a short period of time :)  If
>> that is the case I can buy 4 sets of packs and never again purchase
>> another battery for as long as they will supply them regardless of usage.
>>
>> Just looking for some clarification on their warranty statement.
>>
>> Do you know who is making the cells?  Their other packs are APL I
>> believe...wondering if they went to Enerland (like Apogee/Tanic/Flight
>> Power) did for the higher C cells.
>>
>> Chad
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Grow Pattern <pattern4u at comcast.net>
>> Date: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:26 am
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>>
>>> Earl,
>>>         You raise a very interesting point, What is sponsored?
>>>
>>> I used to think it was either that you got paid to fly by a
>>> manufacturer/supplier/business, or that you got your equipment
>>> free. But
>>> what if, for example, you got a discount on your OS 1.40 EFI ,or
>>> free fuel
>>> etc. Or another would be that you bought and built a plane but
>>> your
>>> batteries were post gratis.
>>>
>>> This could be harder to define than a pattern snap-roll. Hmmmm?
>>>
>>> To be clear to the potentially-paranoid-pattern-people",  I am
>>> interested
>>> for my own edification. (No hidden agenda). I do get asked my
>>> opinion on
>>> certain subjects and when I am not sure, I ask for my opinion :-)
>>>
>>> I would also add that many of the responses to the electric issues
>>> that I
>>> have raised have given me a much better and more balanced view
>>> than the one
>>> I had a few months ago.
>>>
>>> So, thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Eric.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Earl Haury" <ehaury at houston.rr.com>
>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:04 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>>>
>>>
>>> > Stuart
>>> >
>>> > I'm using the first 4 packs sold. I've 48 cycles on one set 18
>>> on the
>>> > other.
>>> > So far they've been fine, very little (if any) balancing
>>> activity. Don't
>>> > have any idea what the cycle life will be - only time will tell.
>>> As the
>>> > weather improves, opportunity for more flying will accelerate cycle
>>> > accumulation a bunch. I hope that there's no need to exercise their
>>> > warranty, but it's a nice feature.
>>> >
>>> > Just so there's no misunderstanding - I gathered flight data to
>>> help
>>> > Falcon
>>> > define the pack parameters and received a bit of a discount
>>> (that local
>>> > sales tax mitigated) for that work. Don't know if that's considered
>>> > "sponsored", but I'm using them because they work and Falcon
>>> provides> excellent service. (I understand that they had some
>>> website problems
>>> > recently, if anyone has problems with it - a phone call will work.)
>>> >
>>> > Earl
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> > From: "Stuart Chale" <schale at optonline.net>
>>> > To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:32 AM
>>> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Is anyone using the Falcon F3A cells advertised in the K-
>>> Factor?  Is
>>> >> there
>>> >> any track record behind them?
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Stuart
>>> >>
>>> >>
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