[NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge
Ron Van Putte
vanputte at cox.net
Sun Mar 26 13:30:53 AKST 2006
On Mar 26, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:
> The FAI and Masters seem rather pro forma, and do the procedure
> turn. Those of us in the great unwashed classes have also been
> utilizing this, but quite a few contestants take off, proceed
> straight out, and execute a humpty-bump or a 1/2 Cuban for a
> turnaround to the "trim pass."
> This also allows the caller to jog back to the line, burning a few
> calories, and staying in shape, thereby not arriving so out of
> breath that he is unable to call the first few figures for his pilot.
> Or, if your caller is the athletic type, then Don Ramsay has
> simplified it: Simply take off, make a 180 deg. turn, and head
> directly downwind. Fast, simple, easy to do, easy to judge, (Take
> off is complete when airplane passes center pole downwind). You
> can then extend the down-wind leg, turning only when your out-of-
> breath caller joins you and stops panting. It's totally non-critical.
Geez! I am getting the idea that a lot of callers can't get back to
their calling station in time without running and be panting when
they get there, unless the pilot does a Procedure Turn in lieu of a
180 degree turn. I am no spring chicken, but I have no problem
getting to the calling station without panting. Maybe some of us
need to lose a little weight. <VBG>
Another point: There has been a lot of discussion that many of you
want to see takeoff and landing scored in 1/2 points, rather than 0
or 10. It's fine to carry on discussion about the subject here on
the NSRCA Discussion List. However, I must assume that everyone who
feels that way will also contact their AMA district's contest board
member and express their opinion. Board members often complain after
a vote that they received ZERO input from their constituents, so they
voted the way they felt was right.
Ron Van Putte
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Pavlick
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge
>
> So.... how did we do it 3 years ago? :)
>
> John Pavlick
> http://www.idseng.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of John Ferrell
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:07 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge
>
> The procedure turn allows time for the caller to get back to the
> pilot station in time to enter the box.
> John Ferrell
> http://DixieNC.US
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nat Penton
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> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge
>
> John
> I agree the procedure turn is a time and fuel waster. Someone said
> it was incorporated to prevent hotdogging. I have occasionally
> flown the procedure turn in knife edge since it is not a violation
> of the rules. I think a prescribed 180 after TO would be just as
> effective in eliminating hotdogging.
>
> One advantage of he procedure turn is that it gives a long trim
> pass. This is seldom needed, however and I think saving judge time
> is more important. Nat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Pavlick
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> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge
>
> My understanding of the reason why we now score T.O. and landing as
> "0" OR "10" was to save time (?) and make the judges job easier
> (???). Well, last season we spent a lot of time at pilot's meetings
> talking about how to "0" something that didn't fit the rulebook
> description. Or when exactly do we call "Takeoff complete"? It was
> silly. The judges still need to watch the Entire takeoff and
> landing sequence so again, what's the point. If you wanted to save
> time on T.O. - don't do the freaking procedure turn. Takeoff, turn
> 180 downwind, check trim, turn around and get in the box. If you're
> a judge, assume that if it got into the box it did so while
> conforming to the "rules". "10" - Done. The procedure turn is cool
> and it looks great, but it takes more time to do, AND you spend
> more time in the overlapping region of the other flight line
> (depending on the wind direction and which line you're on of
> course). If you're going to go through all of that, then you should
> at least get a good score for doing it well. Just my opinion.
>
> Also funny how now that electric is becoming more popular, we're
> relaxing the rules about the airplane standing still before the
> takeoff roll. Pretty soon it won't even matter - well, it will for
> some of us...
> John Pavlick
> http://www.idseng.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:12 AM
> To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge
>
> Yes, it definitely took some skill to get the plane to rotate and
> stay on the ground with the nose gear off the ground before
> smoothly taking off. Same for the landing with the nose gear up
> for a bit on rollout.
>
>
>
> Anyone know the thinking behind 0 to 10? Seems that flying judged
> on precision would not include a perfect score on a takeoff just
> jerked into the sky.
>
>
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of GSailwhale at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:41 AM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge
>
>
>
> If we go back to judging takeoffs and landings, then I can go back
> to tricycle gear and retracts......cool!!!!!
>
> Greg G
>
>
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