[NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge

Ron Van Putte vanputte at cox.net
Sun Mar 26 13:30:53 AKST 2006 

On Mar 26, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:

> The FAI and Masters seem rather pro forma, and do the procedure  
> turn.  Those of us in  the great unwashed classes have also been  
> utilizing this, but quite a few contestants take off, proceed  
> straight out, and execute a humpty-bump or a 1/2 Cuban for a  
> turnaround to the "trim pass."
> This also allows the caller to jog back to the line, burning a few  
> calories, and staying in shape, thereby not arriving so out of  
> breath that he is unable to call the first few figures for his pilot.
> Or, if your caller is the athletic type, then  Don Ramsay has  
> simplified it:  Simply take off, make a 180 deg. turn, and head  
> directly downwind.  Fast, simple, easy to do, easy to judge, (Take  
> off is complete when airplane passes center pole downwind).  You  
> can then extend the down-wind leg, turning only when your out-of- 
> breath caller joins you and stops panting.  It's totally non-critical.

Geez!  I am getting the idea that a lot of callers can't get back to  
their calling station in time without running and be panting when  
they get there, unless the pilot does a Procedure Turn in lieu of a  
180 degree turn.  I am no spring chicken, but I have no problem  
getting to the calling station without panting.  Maybe some of us  
need to lose a little weight.  <VBG>

Another point:  There has been a lot of discussion that many of you  
want to see takeoff and landing scored in 1/2 points, rather than 0  
or 10.  It's fine to carry on discussion about the subject here on  
the NSRCA Discussion List.  However, I must assume that everyone who  
feels that way will also contact their AMA district's contest board  
member and express their opinion.  Board members often complain after  
a vote that they received ZERO input from their constituents, so they  
voted the way they felt was right.

Ron Van Putte
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Pavlick
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge
>
> So.... how did we do it 3 years ago? :)
>
> John Pavlick
> http://www.idseng.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of John Ferrell
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:07 PM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge
>
> The procedure turn allows time for the caller to get back to the  
> pilot station in time to enter the box.
> John Ferrell
> http://DixieNC.US
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nat Penton
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge
>
> John
> I agree the procedure turn is a time and fuel waster. Someone said  
> it was incorporated to prevent hotdogging. I have occasionally  
> flown the procedure turn in knife edge since it is not a violation  
> of the rules. I think a prescribed 180 after TO would be just as  
> effective in eliminating hotdogging.
>
> One advantage of he procedure turn is that it gives a long trim  
> pass. This is seldom needed, however and I think saving judge time  
> is more important.              Nat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Pavlick
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> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge
>
> My understanding of the reason why we now score T.O. and landing as  
> "0" OR "10" was to save time (?) and make the judges job easier  
> (???). Well, last season we spent a lot of time at pilot's meetings  
> talking about how to "0" something that didn't fit the rulebook  
> description. Or when exactly do we call "Takeoff complete"? It was  
> silly. The judges still need to watch the Entire takeoff and  
> landing sequence so again, what's the point. If you wanted to save  
> time on T.O. - don't do the freaking procedure turn. Takeoff, turn  
> 180 downwind, check trim, turn around and get in the box. If you're  
> a judge, assume that if it got into the box it did so while  
> conforming to the "rules". "10" - Done. The procedure turn is cool  
> and it looks great, but it takes more time to do, AND you spend  
> more time in the overlapping region of the other flight line  
> (depending on the wind direction and which line you're on of  
> course). If you're going to go through all of that, then you should  
> at least get a good score for doing it well. Just my opinion.
>
> Also funny how now that electric is becoming more popular, we're  
> relaxing the rules about the airplane standing still before the  
> takeoff roll. Pretty soon it won't even matter - well, it will for  
> some of us...
> John Pavlick
> http://www.idseng.com
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:12 AM
> To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge
>
> Yes, it definitely took some skill to get the plane to rotate and  
> stay on the ground with the nose gear off the ground before  
> smoothly taking off.  Same for the landing with the nose gear up  
> for a bit on rollout.
>
>
>
> Anyone know the thinking behind 0 to 10?  Seems that flying judged  
> on precision would not include a perfect score on a takeoff just  
> jerked into the sky.
>
>
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of GSailwhale at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:41 AM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge
>
>
>
> If we go back to judging takeoffs and landings, then I can go back  
> to tricycle gear and retracts......cool!!!!!
>
> Greg G
>
>
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