[NSRCA-discussion] Rainout Contests...
Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 13 07:13:35 AKDT 2006
I have been following this thread with interest . . .
. . it demonstrates how difficult, if not impossible
it is to please the majority, let alone everybody. On
the flip side of this thread, I have been asked why we
need to hold two day events. Some have asked for
Saturday only, others Sunday only ala control line
aerobatics. Family/Church/Work commitments prevent
some from attending both days of a weekend event.
--- mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mark, thanks for clarifying what I was actually
> attempting to say. After I made my comments
> yesterday I went flying. Somehow Frankie had heard
> that I was a little po'd. I told him that my anger
> was in no way directed at either him or Tommy. It's
> just a general comment on what I have observed. Oh
> ya your right about the peer pressure influencing
> many, Mike Mueller
>
> "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:
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> Larry, I think the issue is less about Muncie than
> the general topic. Muncie at 8am appeared to be a
> complete washout. It was WAY more obvious than
> usual
Forecast was for up to an inch of rain over
> the next 12 hours and probably more on Sunday.
> Calling it was horribly unfortunate as we had such a
> big crowd from so many areas, but probably the right
> thing given the information available.
>
> I think Mike’s point has more to due with less
> obvious situations, and the general “let’s get home
> early” attitude that’s become the norm. Forget
> weather
we get the same issue at the district
> championship regarding flying a 6th round. With 40+
> contestants, and 2 flight lines, with an average of
> 9 minutes per pilot, it takes 3 hours per round.
> With GREAT weather
that’s 9 hours of flying both
> days with no breaks. We get the sun in the box at
> 4:30 – 5pm
so even with a militaristic 8:30am start,
> and rigid attention to flight lines (Everyone does a
> great job at this I must add) we’re pressed to
> finish anything more than 3 rounds on Saturday
> We could also fly 3 rounds on Sunday
but we’d likely
> not finish until 4pm or so. That seems to be
> unacceptable to most anymore. I realize that many
> come from a great distance for this event (we like
> to think it’s all about the steak roast and night
> fly! J ), but there are some who are scratching for
> that last round in hopes
> of pulling out a win, and maybe a district
> championship.
>
> I know I’ve left before some contests have ended
> because of other commitments. That’s my choice, and
> if I have to sacrifice a round
then that’s my
> choice. Bob Kane often chooses to sacrifice the
> first round of Sunday flying to attend church
I
> guess my point is maybe Mike’s right
and we have to
> weight the “Contest” as a whole more heavily
and
> do our very best to complete them. The pilot
> “vote” has value, but let’s face it
there’s a lot of
> peer pressure from those who’s current standings
> won’t change, or maybe even those that will, but who
> are in the better position at present
to call it a
> day.
>
> Let’s face it
MOST of the time, we’re able to
> finish up 6 rounds by 2pm or so
.so it’s not a big
> deal most contests. On the few that do run
> long
maybe we need to suck it up for the exception
> and lose a little sleep.
>
> -Mark
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Lisa & Larry
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:32 PM
> To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations
> D5,proud holders of the Ryder trophy for 2006
>
>
> My initial take is that I agree with Verne if a
> mistake was made, we own it. I was there when the
> vote was made. If someone had thoughts to continue
> the contest it could have been brought up. Many
> people were there earlier and had left the field for
> one reason or another (not necessarily to go home,
> but to kill time).
>
> Looking back, I think that there is room for
> improvement. Perhaps the best thing to do was for
> the CD’s to be at the field at the correct time for
> starting the contest no matter what the conditions
> are, and not let anyone leave for any reason if
> there is a cancellation concern. This way they can
> work to keep all pilots in the area so a debate can
> be heard. A decision could then be made to allow
> folks to check out of there hotel room and meet back
> at the field to see if any flying could be done.
> This would allow everyone the flexibility to check
> back in a hotel if we hold the contest without the
> risk of any unnecessary loss of money by not
> checking out.
>
> “People needing to leave early on Sunday”, is not
> a good argument to cancel a contest if the rain is
> bad on Saturday
If you can get a contest in
> regardless of the time on Sunday’s end, provided the
> majority of folks want it, then that is what should
> be done. My point is that everybody knows their own
> situation. For those who took the time and made the
> commitment to stick it out, they deserve to have a
> full contest benefit even if it’s a couple of rounds
> to make a contest.
>
> I’m on the fence with regards to the Muncie
> cancellation. I would have been ok with either call.
> If a cancellation is immanent, the sooner it’s
> called the better. It’s always easier to second
> guess the decision after the fact knowing how it
> turned out. I wonder how many people would be ticked
> if the Muncie contest wasn’t cancelled and we
> couldn’t get any rounds in due to rain on Sunday
> also? Lisa and I stayed in the area. There wouldn’t
> have been enough time to get a complete round in on
> Saturday for all classes. I don’t know about Sunday.
>
> Larry
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Verne Koester
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:55 PM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations
> D5,proud holders of the Ryder trophy for 2006
>
>
> For the record, Tom and Frank polled those who
> were there before they called it. If it was a
> mistake, everyone standing there owns it, including
> me.
>
>
>
> Verne
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: DoWayne Gould
>
> To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
>
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:50 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations
> D5,proud holders of the Ryder trophy for 2006
>
>
>
> As a CD that may have to make this call in the
> future I am watching this thread closely. I make it
> to all the contests that I can afford the time and
> money to attend. I was at Muncie when the rain
> started at around 2:30am. It was still raining
> steady at 10am with no clearing in sight. I would
> not want to stand around all day in the rain for the
> outside chance that the weather would clear long
> enough to get a round or two in. The forecast for
> Sunday was for a better chance of rain. I think Tom
> and Frank did the right thing calling the contest
> and let everyone salvage there weekend.
> As for staying late on Sunday to finish or start a
> contest, I work third shift and have to be at work
> at midnight Sunday. That means if I get started to a
> contest at 7am and awards are given around 7pm and I
> have a 2 to 3 hour drive, it doesn’t leave much
> family and rest time before work. Taking Monday’s
> off for may be OK for some but others like me get
> paid for being there, if I don’t work I lose a days
> pay. No pay equals upset family and no hobby funds.
> Dowayne
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of george w. kennie
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:53 PM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations
> D5,proud holders of the Ryder trophy for 2006
>
>
> I have to somewhat concur. The most enjoyable
> contest that I ever competed in was a seven rounder.
> We flew 3 rounds on Sunday and I was in favor of one
> more,
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Bob Kane
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