[NSRCA-discussion] Rainout Contests...
Atwood, Mark
atwoodm at paragon-inc.com
Mon Jun 12 11:11:39 AKDT 2006
Larry, I think the issue is less about Muncie than the general topic.
Muncie at 8am appeared to be a complete washout. It was WAY more
obvious than usual...Forecast was for up to an inch of rain over the
next 12 hours and probably more on Sunday. Calling it was horribly
unfortunate as we had such a big crowd from so many areas, but probably
the right thing given the information available.
I think Mike's point has more to due with less obvious situations, and
the general "let's get home early" attitude that's become the norm.
Forget weather...we get the same issue at the district championship
regarding flying a 6th round. With 40+ contestants, and 2 flight lines,
with an average of 9 minutes per pilot, it takes 3 hours per round.
With GREAT weather... that's 9 hours of flying both days with no breaks.
We get the sun in the box at 4:30 - 5pm...so even with a militaristic
8:30am start, and rigid attention to flight lines (Everyone does a great
job at this I must add) we're pressed to finish anything more than 3
rounds on Saturday... We could also fly 3 rounds on Sunday...but
we'd likely not finish until 4pm or so. That seems to be unacceptable
to most anymore. I realize that many come from a great distance for
this event (we like to think it's all about the steak roast and night
fly! :-) ), but there are some who are scratching for that last round in
hopes of pulling out a win, and maybe a district championship.
I know I've left before some contests have ended because of other
commitments. That's my choice, and if I have to sacrifice a
round...then that's my choice. Bob Kane often chooses to sacrifice the
first round of Sunday flying to attend church... I guess my point is
maybe Mike's right...and we have to weight the "Contest" as a whole more
heavily... and do our very best to complete them. The pilot "vote"
has value, but let's face it...there's a lot of peer pressure from those
who's current standings won't change, or maybe even those that will, but
who are in the better position at present...to call it a day.
Let's face it...MOST of the time, we're able to finish up 6 rounds by
2pm or so....so it's not a big deal most contests. On the few that do
run long...maybe we need to suck it up for the exception and lose a
little sleep.
-Mark
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Lisa &
Larry
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations D5,proud holders of the
Ryder trophy for 2006
My initial take is that I agree with Verne if a mistake was made, we own
it. I was there when the vote was made. If someone had thoughts to
continue the contest it could have been brought up. Many people were
there earlier and had left the field for one reason or another (not
necessarily to go home, but to kill time).
Looking back, I think that there is room for improvement. Perhaps the
best thing to do was for the CD's to be at the field at the correct time
for starting the contest no matter what the conditions are, and not let
anyone leave for any reason if there is a cancellation concern. This way
they can work to keep all pilots in the area so a debate can be heard. A
decision could then be made to allow folks to check out of there hotel
room and meet back at the field to see if any flying could be done. This
would allow everyone the flexibility to check back in a hotel if we hold
the contest without the risk of any unnecessary loss of money by not
checking out.
"People needing to leave early on Sunday", is not a good argument to
cancel a contest if the rain is bad on Saturday... If you can get a
contest in regardless of the time on Sunday's end, provided the majority
of folks want it, then that is what should be done. My point is that
everybody knows their own situation. For those who took the time and
made the commitment to stick it out, they deserve to have a full contest
benefit even if it's a couple of rounds to make a contest.
I'm on the fence with regards to the Muncie cancellation. I would have
been ok with either call. If a cancellation is immanent, the sooner it's
called the better. It's always easier to second guess the decision after
the fact knowing how it turned out. I wonder how many people would be
ticked if the Muncie contest wasn't cancelled and we couldn't get any
rounds in due to rain on Sunday also? Lisa and I stayed in the area.
There wouldn't have been enough time to get a complete round in on
Saturday for all classes. I don't know about Sunday.
Larry
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Verne
Koester
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations D5,proud holders of the
Ryder trophy for 2006
For the record, Tom and Frank polled those who were there before they
called it. If it was a mistake, everyone standing there owns it,
including me.
Verne
----- Original Message -----
From: DoWayne Gould <mailto:iflyrc24 at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations D5,proud holders
of the Ryder trophy for 2006
As a CD that may have to make this call in the future I am
watching this thread closely. I make it to all the contests that I can
afford the time and money to attend. I was at Muncie when the rain
started at around 2:30am. It was still raining steady at 10am with no
clearing in sight. I would not want to stand around all day in the rain
for the outside chance that the weather would clear long enough to get a
round or two in. The forecast for Sunday was for a better chance of
rain. I think Tom and Frank did the right thing calling the contest and
let everyone salvage there weekend.
As for staying late on Sunday to finish or start a contest, I
work third shift and have to be at work at midnight Sunday. That means
if I get started to a contest at 7am and awards are given around 7pm and
I have a 2 to 3 hour drive, it doesn't leave much family and rest time
before work. Taking Monday's off for may be OK for some but others like
me get paid for being there, if I don't work I lose a days pay. No pay
equals upset family and no hobby funds.
Dowayne
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of george w.
kennie
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations D5,proud holders
of the Ryder trophy for 2006
I have to somewhat concur. The most enjoyable contest that I
ever competed in was a seven rounder. We flew 3 rounds on Sunday and I
was in favor of one more, but got out voted (won the last two rounds and
was just getting hot).
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From: mike mueller <mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations D5,proud
holders of the Ryder trophy for 2006
Del, I see your point. Maybe what we need to do in the
future is consider taking Mondays off instead of Fridays. That way we
don't have this situation on Mondays.
Look I expect that things will remain the same. I'm not
proposing that we fly late on Sundays I'd just like the option to fly a
little later than normal if mother nature is making things difficult.
I'd like it if we would stop being in such a rush to go home.
I fly in 6 to 8 contests a year. I spend the rest of
the year preparing for these. Its a big commitment to prepare to
compete. I think we may have too many who don't care about the
competition and fail to respect the wishes of those who do. Maybe we
should just change contests to informal get togethers. Have dinner, BS,
complain and fly if you feel like it. I'd have far less grief that way.
--Mike
"Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
Thanks for setting me straight.. Well my view
is I need to leave by certain departure time to get kids and planes to
bed so I can get at least 6.5 hours sleep at minimum.. I always need an
90 minute to get ready and eat before leaving house for Mondays work.
That doesn't not include the 50 minute to hour commute. So when you do
that math means for me I have to depart no later than 4pm Sunday for
contest long drive away.
Del
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From: mike mueller
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Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Congratulations D5,proud holders of the Ryder trophy for 2006
Thanks Del I understand it but in the
case of rain shouldn't we have a different mentallity? Also thanks for
the sympathy but the crashes were Marty Kings and on Friday Larry Auer
lost his expensive Pinnacle.
"Del K. Rykert"
<drykert2 at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Mike..
My heart goes out to you on your
terrible loss of a prize plane.
I wanted to share my view on the
wrapping up early on Sunday at contests. When people with families
travel a distance, 4-6 hours to a contest and leave at a late hour to be
getting up at 5am for work and school for children next day makes for
reason not to attend that contest in future. I know if a contest did
that repeatedly I would stop attending it.
I had to be clearheaded and awake
when I reported on Monday. Peoples lives were in the balance. Another
view on it..
Del
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Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:23 AM
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Congratulations D5,proud holders of the Ryder trophy for 2006
Do you realize that this makes 3
straight days that we've had total washouts at the shootout? This is
because we didn't fly last year on Sunday.
I think that we call contests way too
early. It's a shame that we didn't at least attempt to wait till the
afternoon and get in 2 flights. I've been told that someone actually
stayed and flew in the afternoon. We had people that drove some long
distances that dissevered a better attempt.
I don't get why so many are in such a
rush to go home. When did it become a rule that we have to be done very
early on Sundays also. I remember Rough River in 1987 waiting out the
rains on a Sunday and having the award ceromony in the dusk. Bottom line
is we got in a contest. This go home early stuff is bad.
What's to say that we couldn't have
flown 2 rounds today?
Is it getting to the point where if the
weather forcasts show the slightest possability of rain that we should
just stay home?
I love coming to contests and seeing
all my friends but to be honest its the flying that I'm there for.
---Mike
Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, the D4-D5 shootout was a washout.
Rained all day
today in Muncie with a high probability
of the same
tomorrow. In a joint decision between D4
and D5, it
was decided to award the Ryder trophy to
D5 due to
their tremendeous effort in recruiting
pilots to
represent their district this year. They
outnumbered
us handily, and would have probably
prevailed had we
had the opportunity to fly.
Congratulations and good
work!
I might add that dinner last night on
the patio at the
Texas Roadhouse was another one to
remember, great
friends and great food.
The gauntlet has been thrown, it is on
D4 to get the
pilots to Muncie next summer to win back
the trophy.
Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com
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