[NSRCA-discussion] Avalanche - Positive or Negative Snap?

[Ken Thompson]

I'm with you on that, my problem would be controlling the initial break, I 
have a real problem with holding the elevator too long, must be my short fat 
fingers...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arch Stafford" <rcpattern at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Avalanche - Positive or Negative Snap?


> It takes more playing with the setup to make it really snap nicely 
> positive
> to where it doesn't drop the nose too much, but when they are done 
> correctly
> positive, I think the presentation is much nicer.  I think geometry is 
> much
> easier to maintain with a positive snap.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ken 
> Thompson
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:39 PM
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>
> I again stand corrected.  My thought was that the snap should be to the
> outside of the loop to control the amount of drop that the model will
> encounter, being in the stalled position.  I don't recall judging anyone
> that did a positive snap, but I certainly see Arch's point.
>
> This is why Archie flies the way he does, and I fly the way I do <BG>
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Archie Stafford" <rcpattern at comcast.net>
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>
>> It can be done either way.  Personally I think it presents better by 
>> doing
>> it positive...others disagree, but I think you can maintain the shape of
>> the
>> loop better with a positive snap.
>>
>> Arch Stafford
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael
>> Laggis
>> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:07 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Avalanche - Positive or Negative Snap?
>>
>> That's the problem Ken,
>>
>> "Model pulls or pushes up into a loop, at the top it executes a complete
>> snap roll, positive or negative, recovers to complete the loop and
>> finishes
>> in level upright or inverted flight."
>>
>> That is the total description in the AMA rule book.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ken
>> Thompson
>> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:55 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Avalanche - Positive or Negative Snap?
>>
>> I believe the AMA rulebook gives you both for clarity, it you pull into
>> the
>> loop you need to do a negative snap.  You have to pull in the Advanced
>> sequence because the plane is entering the maneuver upright.
>>
>> Of course, I just started to fly Intermediate, so I may be wrong <G>
>>
>> Ken
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Laggis" <fishgod at pobox.mtaonline.net>
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>> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:43 PM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Avalanche - Positive or Negative Snap?
>>
>>
>>>I am wondering if the pilot has the choice on the type of snap in an
>>> avalanche?  In Advanced maneuver 14 is an Avalanche.  The AMA rule book
>>> states as follows.
>>>
>>> "Model pulls or pushes up into a loop, at the top it executes a complete
>>> snap roll, positive or negative, recovers to complete the loop and
>>> finishes
>>> in level upright or inverted flight."
>>>
>>> I was told by someone at the field that if you pull into a loop it has 
>>> to
>>> be
>>> a positive snap and if you push into the loop it is a negative snap.
>>>
>>> My preference is pull into the loop then do a negative snap.  Just
>>> looking
>>> for some clarity.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Michael Laggis
>>>
>>>
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