[NSRCA-discussion] Avalanche - Positive or Negative Snap?

[Arch Stafford]

It takes more playing with the setup to make it really snap nicely positive
to where it doesn't drop the nose too much, but when they are done correctly
positive, I think the presentation is much nicer.  I think geometry is much
easier to maintain with a positive snap.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ken Thompson
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Avalanche - Positive or Negative Snap?

I again stand corrected.  My thought was that the snap should be to the 
outside of the loop to control the amount of drop that the model will 
encounter, being in the stalled position.  I don't recall judging anyone 
that did a positive snap, but I certainly see Arch's point.

This is why Archie flies the way he does, and I fly the way I do <BG>

Ken
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Archie Stafford" <rcpattern at comcast.net>
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Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Avalanche - Positive or Negative Snap?


> It can be done either way.  Personally I think it presents better by doing
> it positive...others disagree, but I think you can maintain the shape of 
> the
> loop better with a positive snap.
>
> Arch Stafford
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> Laggis
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:07 PM
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>
> That's the problem Ken,
>
> "Model pulls or pushes up into a loop, at the top it executes a complete
> snap roll, positive or negative, recovers to complete the loop and 
> finishes
> in level upright or inverted flight."
>
> That is the total description in the AMA rule book.
>
> Regards,
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ken 
> Thompson
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:55 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Avalanche - Positive or Negative Snap?
>
> I believe the AMA rulebook gives you both for clarity, it you pull into 
> the
> loop you need to do a negative snap.  You have to pull in the Advanced
> sequence because the plane is entering the maneuver upright.
>
> Of course, I just started to fly Intermediate, so I may be wrong <G>
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Laggis" <fishgod at pobox.mtaonline.net>
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> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:43 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Avalanche - Positive or Negative Snap?
>
>
>>I am wondering if the pilot has the choice on the type of snap in an
>> avalanche?  In Advanced maneuver 14 is an Avalanche.  The AMA rule book
>> states as follows.
>>
>> "Model pulls or pushes up into a loop, at the top it executes a complete
>> snap roll, positive or negative, recovers to complete the loop and
>> finishes
>> in level upright or inverted flight."
>>
>> I was told by someone at the field that if you pull into a loop it has to
>> be
>> a positive snap and if you push into the loop it is a negative snap.
>>
>> My preference is pull into the loop then do a negative snap.  Just 
>> looking
>> for some clarity.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Michael Laggis
>>
>>
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