[NSRCA-discussion] PowerPoint Presentations

[george w. kennie]

The wonderful thing about being soggy is that there is no shortage of 
willing participants to step up and assist in the wringing out process.(VBG)




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PowerPoint Presentations


>
> On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:52 PM, george w. kennie wrote:
>
>> Can you complete a true 3 second slow roll and still give me a 50 foot
>> straight and level entry line b/4 the pull into the Pyramid ???? I
>> still
>> have strong feelings that a slow roll is in a class of maneuvers
>> that are
>> requirement-specific to the elemental requirement demanded by the
>> sequence
>> at the specified time and should not be a pilot's option to be
>> employed on a
>> whim. The book refers to rolls as having elements that are "crisp",
>> and
>> there is little in a slow roll that displays "crisp". I remember
>> Henderson
>> doing a triangle loop with a roll across the top and he was using a
>> slow
>> roll that was not specified in the maneuver description and I
>> objected to
>> the practice on the basis that the element was not specified and it
>> also was
>> a cheat to make it difficult for the judges to determine if the
>> pilot knew
>> where the correct centering of the roll in the straight line across
>> the top
>> needed to be executed.
>> Of course, as always, I could be all wet, but that's my view.
>
> On this topic, I think Georgie is soggy.  Roll rate is not a judging
> criteria, unless different roll rates are performed within a
> maneuver.  All roll rates are to be the same within a maneuver unless
> otherwise specified.  A good example of roll rate to downgrade is the
> Double Immelmann, in which many pilots perform a fast roll on top and
> a slow roll on the bottom:  Downgrade.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Ramsey" <don.ramsey at cox.net>
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 6:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PowerPoint Presentations
>>
>>
>>> A slow roll is acceptable.
>>>
>>> DR
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ed Miller" <edbon85 at charter.net>
>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 3:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PowerPoint Presentations
>>>
>>>
>>>> Concerning the Master schedule 1/2 loop with full roll out.  Is a
>>>> slow
>>>> roll
>>>> acceptable on the full roll out or must it be a fast axial roll ??
>>>> Ed M.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Don Ramsey" <don.ramsey at cox.net>
>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 11:54 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PowerPoint Presentations
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Adam,
>>>>>
>>>>> 404-2:    The stall turn must be in the direction of flight.
>>>>> 404-7:    The humpty is defined as 1/4 roll up and 3/4 roll down.
>>>>> That's
>>>>> 3/4 down and not 3 of 4.
>>>>> 404-12:  Slow roll should be a minimum of 3 seconds
>>>>> 404-18:  AMA rule on snaps is on page 78 of the rulebook.  You
>>>>> can get
>>>>> to
>>>>> the rulebook through the judging site where the Powerpoint
>>>>> presentations
>>>>> are
>>>>> found.  But in a nutshell:
>>>>> 1. Since the maneuver is defined as a stall maneuver (initiated
>>>>> by a
>>>>> rapid
>>>>> stall of the wing induced by a change in pitch attitude), the
>>>>> nose of
>>>>> the
>>>>> fuselage should show a definite break from the flight path in the
>>>>> direction
>>>>> of the snap (positive or negative) while the track closely
>>>>> maintains the
>>>>> flight path. The track visualized as the path of the Center of
>>>>> Gravity
>>>>> (CG)
>>>>> should ideally follow the geometric flight path of the maneuver
>>>>> while
>>>>> the
>>>>> nose and tail autorotate through opposite helical arcs around
>>>>> the flight
>>>>> path. A snap  that does not show a break and stall to initiate
>>>>> the snap,
>>>>> but
>>>>> does enter a stalled attitude during the maneuver is severely
>>>>> downgraded.
>>>>>
>>>>> So
>>>>> * lack of a definite break of the nose is not a zero but severe
>>>>> downgrade
>>>>> * track of CG should ideally follow the geometry of the maneuver
>>>>> for max
>>>>> points
>>>>> Other Points:
>>>>> * Barrel roll or axial roll is a zero
>>>>> * Speed of snap is not a judging criteria
>>>>> * Airspeed may decrease in the snap with no downgrade
>>>>> * If model is roll to a finish the downgrade is applied using 1
>>>>> pt per
>>>>> 15
>>>>> degree rule.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Adam Glatt" <adam.g at sasktel.net>
>>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 10:29 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PowerPoint Presentations
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good stuff, Don.  These are very helpful for learning a
>>>>>> schedule that
>>>>>> you don't fly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a few questions about judging Masters that I recommend
>>>>>> should be
>>>>>> answered on the presentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 404-2:  Does the stall turn itself have to rotate in the upwind
>>>>>> direction?
>>>>>> 404-7:  There seems to be an option here, but 2of2 has the same
>>>>>> name as
>>>>>> 1of2, though the Arrestis are different.
>>>>>> 404-12:  What is the rule book definition of 'slow?'
>>>>>> 404-18:  The rulebook definition/description of a snap?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don Ramsey wrote:
>>>>>>> For those who may be judging Advanced, Masters, P-07 and
>>>>>>> especially
>>>>>>> F3A wednesday judges for F-07 there are PowerPoint
>>>>>>> presentations on
>>>>>>> the NSRCA judging page
>>>>>>> http://www.nsrca.org/competition/judging/judging.htm.  Look
>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>> link near the bottom of the Judging Home Page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>
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